Do you delete your emails?
I mean, once you’ve responded to them, or if you find there’s no need for them anymore?
I don’t. Never have.
I keep them all, and I while I sent a total of 21,992 emails in 2023, I can honestly tell you that I have access to all my sent/received emails dating back to 2004.
Is that weird?
I’m weird. Right. We established that a very long time ago.
A friend of mine who “works in computers,” for lack of a better description, once told me, “Don’t delete anything for the sake of space. The Internet is infinite. Space grows. Megabytes turn into terabytes, and terabytes turn into petabytes.”
He’s not wrong. I remember a university computer that had a 100 MB hard drive. But once I started downloading MP3’s off Napster, at 3-5 MB per song, that computer ran out of space rather quickly.
In searching for a feature photo for today’s blog, I couldn’t find anything on my usual free photo websites, and I don’t steal copyrighted images from Google, so I decided to search my email archives.
2020. That’s a tough year for a lot of people, I know, but guess what I found in an email from that year?
Today’s feature photo.
A reader sent me information on a laneway house that he had just finished, along with photos, and because I don’t delete any emails, it came in handy four years later!
That picture you saw at the top of today’s blog is a laneway house near Danforth & Greenwood that was finished in 2020.
The builder noted:
The unit has a 350 sq.ft. heated garage and 800 square feet of interior space with 1 bedroom, utility room, and shared entrance on the ground floor. It has a bedroom upstairs with a walk-in closet c/w stacked laundry, 3 piece washroom, and a large open concept Living / Dining / Kitchen with open stair to the lower level. We ran radiant in-floor heating through the entire slab, both to keep the garage warm, and to ensure that the floor of the unit above would be comfortable throughout the winter.
Of course, he also asked for credit if I ever used the pictures, so a shout out to Mikael at MHG Design Inc., whose company logo can be seen in the photo.
While we’re plugging people, how about our good friend, Marty Steele, a loyal reader and commenter here on Toronto Realty Blog, who is also behind Laneway Housing Advisors.
Marty was very early to the laneway party. He started doing reports on laneway housing viability several years ago, and I smile when I see his reports in houses that I’m showing to buyers.
I am going to assume that folks like Mikael from MHG Design Inc. and Marty from Laneway Housing Advisors are proponents of laneway housing in Toronto, but would it surprise you to know that many Torontonians are steadfastly against the concept?
Probably not. After all, if folks in Toronto can disagree about something, they likely will.
But why do people disagree on laneway housing? And what issues are at the forefront of the discussions?
“An honest conversation,” is what I called this in today’s blog title, and that’s what I’m aiming for because I feel like the discussion about laneway housing in Toronto is merely getting started.
A client of mine remarked last weekend, “I have no problem if somebody else wants to build a laneway home on our street. But I don’t think I’d take one if it were free. I don’t want somebody living in my backyard with a window that looks out to where my kids play, and I don’t want to park my car under their living room.”
How’s that for a hot take?
Then on the other hand, many Torontonians believe that laneway housing and multi-unit dwellings are the future of the city and a key component in getting us out of the “housing crisis” that only seems to be getting worse.
Simply put: there are those who love laneway homes and those who coudln’t possibly care less about them.
Notice that I stopped short of saying “hate” when compared to those who love laneway homes, because it’s not that laneway home naysayers “hate” the idea, but rather they just don’t care about them.
So today, I want to discuss laneway housing and propose a few questions that need to honestly be asked and answered, even though some people don’t want to vote against “progress” or have their views be seen as elitist.
Keep in mind, that there are some people out there that don’t like peanut butter and jelly, so everything in life is going to have a critic…
Do your neighbours want you to build a laneway house?
Your answer might be, “I don’t care!”
And frankly speaking, you would have every right to feel that way.
It’s also your right to build a laneway house in the first place if your property meets the requisite requirements, so is it really anybody else’s business what you do with your property?
Unfortunately, that question isn’t rhetorical. And as we all know, “nobody’s business” is often “everybody’s business.”
I’ve always been amazed by people who feel the need, or that it’s their right, to tell others what to do with their own homes. My favourite example of this in Toronto might be when it comes to trees.
I would likely never be described as an “environmentalist,” so it should come as no surprise that I feel a home-owner should be allowed to do as they place with their own home when it comes to trees, and yet we live in a city where in order to cut down certain trees, you not only have to jump through hoops but you might not be allowed to do so at all.
I know, I know, we need trees for the good of the environment, and for beauty, and oxygen, and it’s a living, breathing thing!
But if a home owner – that is, somebody who owns that house, wants to cut down a tree to put in a swimming pool, then who the hell are the neighbours, the city, or some tree-hugger ten miles away to tell them otherwise?
Not going to be a popular take.
I know. But I don’t care.
While I don’t want to live in a state down south where it’s considered normal to legally shoot a person simply for setting foot on your front lawn, I also don’t want to live in a place where property rights are consistently being stripped away.
Excuse the tree-related tangent, if you will, but it’s a necessary side to this coin.
If legislation exists that allows a property owner to build a laneway house on their lot, should the neighbours have any say in what that property owner does?
As you can imagine, many people in Toronto don’t like laneway houses and do not want their neighbours to build them.
There are many reasons, and I’m sure we could come up with a list.
Some don’t want renters living in people’s backyards.
Some don’t want the construction.
Others might not want to block out the view or the sun.
And others might just feel that laneway houses are too dense.
Last week, we were treated to this Capulet-versus-Montague dispute in the Toronto Star:
“Garden Suites Are Dividing Neighbours On This Tiny Toronto Street”
The Toronto Star
September 24th, 2024
From the article:
Should there be exceptions to Toronto’s efforts to boost neighbourhood density?
On a narrow one-way street off Danforth Avenue in the east end, this question has erupted into a hyperlocal schism. Craven Road is lined on the east side with single family and townhomes, but their front doors face the garages and backyards of Parkmount Road homes to the west.
It’s a slice of Toronto where homeowners can legally apply to build garden suites, a kind of backyard cottage aimed at offering more housing in cosy neighbourhoods. But a little more than two years after the option was first enacted, city council has now suggested garden suites don’t belong here.
Councillors asked city staff in June to outline their options for changing the permissions on Craven, after some of its residents warned more density in the backyards of the Parkmount Road homes could overwhelm their one-way street. Weeks later, city council, in a near-unanimous vote, asked Toronto’s chief planner to draft the required legal change by October to erase the garden suite allowance on Craven from Danforth Avenue to Hanson Street.
It’s a directive that has split neighbours and other invested Torontonians into two opposing camps: those who believe, as outlined by Coun. Paula Fletcher, that the “little wee tiny street” with a road width of 4.5 metres should be a rare exception to the citywide rule, and those who see any rollback of increased density options as a slippery slope in a city facing a housing crisis.
This is not the first article about neighbours disagreeing over value, effectiveness, or worthiness of laneway housing, and it certainly won’t be the last.
But it goes to show that not everybody is in favour of laneway housing, in case that wasn’t already taken as a given. And it also goes to show that even after the City of Toronto enacts legislation to deal with laneway housing, they’re still going to be required to work with home owners (ie. constituents/voters) on an ongoing basis to deal with dissent.
The “yay” and “nay” camps for laneway housing will differ dramatically in different geographic areas and, dare I say, demographics. But this should also come as no surprsie.
Is the cost of building a laneway house justified?
Well, I suppose that depends on how you want to justify the build.
If you believe in the greater good and that you’re helping to “solve the housing crisis,” then sure it does!
But is the cost justified financially?
There are two ways of looking at this:
1) How much rent are you collecting, compared to the cost to build the house?
2) How much value are you adding to your property, compared to the cost to build the house?
To answer the first question, I would draw a parallel to the show “Income Property” that was a big hit 10-15 years ago. Every week, we would watch a happy-go-lucky couple tear their basement apart and build a turnkey apartment that they would then rent out.
But did the end justify the means?
If it costs $50,000 to renovate a basement suite, and the unit rents for $1,100 per month, then the payback period is just less than four years.
That’s how this television show conveyed the “value” in every 22-minute episode, and rather comically, the renovation always seemed to finish on time, under budget, and the landlords would magically find a tenant to pay more than what the host first estimated the unit would be worth.
With respect to a laneway house, would we use the same formula?
If so, you can see how the numbers would differ drastically.
If you spent $500,000 to build a laneway home, only to collect $2,400 per month in rent, the the payback period is over seventeen years!
Advocates of laneway houses are going to tell me why this metric is no longer appropriate and trust me when I say – I’m all ears.
Now, when it comes to the value add of the laneway house, here is where the proposition can be make-or-break.
If you own a detached, 3-bedroom, 2-bathroom home in Little Italy worth $1,500,000 and spend $500,000 to build a laneway home, is the property worth $2,000,000?
Is it worth more?
Theoretically, it should be.
Why would anybody spend $500,000 to build a laneway home if it wouldn’t add $500,000 or more to their property?
I suppose you could argue that even if it only added, say, $450,000 in value, then the additional rental income over the coming years could make up the difference.
But if you have to create an argument, then something is amiss, right?
The problem in Toronto is: we haven’t seen enough two-dwelling properties sell over the last few years to really understand the value proposition. If we had a database of one-hundred properties that featured a traditional single-family dwelling and a newly-built laneway home, then surely we could work backwards from the sale price, the cost to build the laneway house, and the original purchase price to determine just how much “value” is created.
Unfortunately, we’re years away from that, and thus we’re years away from answering the question of whether or not the cost of building a laneway home is justified.
Is there a “cheap and cheerful” solution on the horizon?
Perhaps!
And thanks to Laneway Housing Advisors, as I’m still on their email subscription list, I learned about a $65,000 modular laneway home that made its debut at the recent Toronto Home Show:
That’s a 170 square foot “studio” model that was on display at the Toronto Home Show.
Unfortunately, the website for “BORDERLESS” doesn’t work.
Let’s hope the plumbing in their modular laneway homes does!
But BORDERLESS offers four models of homes:
$64,990 – 170 Square Foot, 0-Bed, 0-Bath Home Office
$64,990 – 170 Square Foot, 0-Bed, 1-Bath Studio
$129,990 – 340 Square Foot, 1-Bed, 1-Bath
$189,990 – 510 Square Foot, 2-Bed, 2-Bath
There’s limited information available and we know nothing about the features, finishes, ceiling height, etc.
But here’s the artist’s rendering for the 2-bed, 2-bath unit:
We also don’t know the length or width of that home, and thus whether or not it could be built off-site and craned into somebody’s backyard, to sit comfortably within the boundaries of an 18-foot lot.
But it’s an idea.
And it shows that people are thinking about the cost of laneway houses and how they could stand in the way of new units being built.
Are two-dwelling properties going to be as popular and as saleable as traditional, single-family homes?
I’ve seen exactly one property with a laneway house in Leaside over the years and it didn’t exactly fly off the shelves when it was listed for sale.
It was a builder spec-house and the decision to include a laneway home was a curious one.
Why?
Well, simply put, I don’t think the $4,000,000 Leaside buyer wants a laneway house.
In fact, I think this was a major detriment to the sale.
Call the folks in Leaside unimaginative, if you will. But on a typical 30 x 130 foot lot, where you’d expect to see a 4-bed, 5-bath home built, you would also expect to see a large backyard with a lush lawn, a cedar deck, perhaps a flagstone patio, and maybe even a jungle-gym for the kids.
In the case of this property with the laneway home, there was probably a distance of only 15-20 feet from the back door of the house to the wall of the laneway home, with no real useable “backyard” space for the main home.
While I can’t speak for every Leaside homeowner or buyer, I can say that, based on my experience, this isn’t what people in the area want.
Of course, a home only needs one buyer, so maybe it doesn’t matter what the 99% want, and it only matters what the 1% are looking for and will purcahse.
But there are geographic areas, property types, and price points where laneway houses will not make the home any more saleable, and will, in fact, make the property more difficult to sell.
Further to that point, a laneway home, in some areas, could actually be a major detriment. Not everybody wants a laneway home, whether they have to pay a premium, or not.
Does this help solve the City of Toronto’s housing crisis?
Many years ago, I was working with clients who wanted to purchase a multi-unit dwelling in the downtown core.
We found a great triplex on a major street and they were quite enamoured.
They thought about how to add a fourth unit in the unfinished basement, and we determined that this could add some incredible value.
But then one of them said, “We could add three or four more units if we added a couple of storeys on top of the existing structure.”
I paused and chewed on this.
Then I casually said, “Sorry, come again?”
“Let’s add a third storey! Maybe a fourth!”
I then had the unenviable task of explaining to these folks, who were both architects, and had lived all over the world, and studied housing in major world-class cities, “We just don’t do that here in Toronto.”
They looked at me like I was crazy.
But to them, the idea that you could only have a two-storey dwelling on a street like Dundas, Queen, Bathurst, or King was absurd.
Maybe it was. Maybe it is. And maybe relaxing restrictions – especially archaic ones, on density in the downtown core of our city is exactly what’s needed to move the city into the future and help ease the housing crisis.
Years later, I would see what those two brilliant architects had done with their knowledge, foresight, and skill.
Check out Smart Density, if you haven’t already.
From their website:
If we had to sum up what we do in one neat sentence, it would be:
Architecture and Urban Planning firm for forward-thinking developers and creative municipalities who want to achieve Smart Density.
“Smart density” in a city like Toronto, which is already experiencing a housing crisis, is likely not two-storey limits on Queen Street in the downtown core.
That’s my take, at least, and I won’t speak for the folks at Smart Density.
But to get more housing built in Toronto, we’ll have to get creative, relax restrictions, see the public sector work with the private sector, and speed up the applications/approval process.
Laneway housing is one way to get more homes built in Toronto, but is it enough?
If a tree falls in the woods, and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Debate that.
But if a city with a population of three million people adds forty new laneway houses per year, is it enough to upset the apple cart?
Francesca
at 8:14 am
My husband’s aunt and uncle are building a garden suite for them to move into to them give their small unrenovated 1950s house to their son and his family. This is an area where homes like theirs are sold simply for their lots to then be torn down to rebuild 4-6000 sq foot homes. Therefore in my opinion the 500 grand they are spending to build the garden suite likely won’t add value to their house if they chose to sell it years later as I strongly believe both dwellings will be torn down by a new owner to build one brand new large house. The value is in the lot not the houses especially with one being so old. In their case they aren’t building to generate rent but rather for personal use which may make the point of adding value obsolete. The better solution would have been tear down the old house and build a bigger one to house everyone but this obviously would cost way more and would force them to find temporary housing while the new house is built. The beauty of laneway suites and garden suites is they can be built with minimal disruption to the owners.
hoob
at 9:56 am
Not a lawyer, and certainly not _your_ lawyer, but from a legal point of view, most companies have found that it’s much better to have an automatic policy that deletes electronic records automatically.
Lacking the automation, you are accountable to pretty much any discovery request for data going back decades; and if you manually delete data at some point (innocuously, for various reasons) it can be considered purposeful destruction of evidence, if anything you deleted ever comes in scope.
Marina
at 11:40 am
I am very curious to see where the prefab housing movement goes over the next 10-30 years (I know, huge window). But as technology improves, I can see these types of houses becoming more popular and actually solving some of the affordability issues. As the stability, insulation, and design move forward, who would want to buy a 350 sq foot condo for 500k when they can get a house on a piece of land for less than half that?
They can also be really cute as a cottage. And especially if you can hook up to city services for utilities and sewage, people can come up with really interesting solutions. I’ve seen some prefab houses on AirBnB in some stunning locations. All modern and chic. Really challenged some of my preconceived notions.
Marty
at 11:04 am
YES, a factory that is nearly as automated as a new car factory should be absolutely spitting out a new 400 sq. ft. unit every few minutes.
Libertarian
at 1:43 pm
I’m like the client of yours who has no interest in a laneway home. For me, it’s the same argument as the trend of the basement apartment. Why would I buy a house if I can’t enjoy the basement? Why buy a house if I can’t enjoy the backyard?
Then again, I’m one of those people who does not look at my house as an “investment”. It’s a home – where I want to spend quality time with my family, etc. I’m sure real estate investors want basement apartments and laneway homes – stuff as many renters into a property as possible. Turn everything into a rooming home.
Steve
at 5:05 pm
My street was designated as a friendly laneway house area, but despite this, nobody has moved to build one. I do have a builder friend who is currently building one in a nearby area where lots are much bigger, and he says they are not a popular as advocates expected.
Marty
at 11:02 am
Accurate > > “The problem in Toronto is: we haven’t seen enough two-dwelling properties sell over the last few years to really understand the value proposition.”
At best we have seen 22 or so and they have mostly been quite different from one another. We can point at 81 Gough Avenue (sold for $4.17M in spring 2022) and say LOOK!… but that just might be the high point / time too. Not too many winners like that sale netted for the owners/developers there.
> > “And thanks to Laneway Housing Advisors, as I’m still on their email subscription list…”
You are among the brave! Lol.
Marty
at 11:20 am
Here is what I think surprised all of us in the business…
I entered the business in 2018, right near the start. And promptly set up an internal newsletter for others in the business. Most of us are friendly to one another, with a few exceptions. Now 128 companies participate in my newsletter. And we chat, a lot.
Anyway, where was I going here?
Oh ya, what surprised us.
It’s the percentage of laneway houses and garden suites that are NOT going to be rented outside of the family or I guess close friends. It’s probably close to 70%.
70% of the people that build them are either going to use them for their own kids or cousins, or parents, or plan to move into it themselves. A few want some detached studio or office space, some like the idea of a detached guest cottage. If you have your retired parents coming for an extended stay two or three times a year, what better place to stow them, right?
Jennifer
at 12:32 pm
This. There is something very appealing to having elderly parents live close, but not in the same house (especially with traffic situation these days). My neighbour built a laneway house and his kid and young family live in it for now. Maybe when they get older they will flip with the parents getting the laneway house. It is still providing their principal residence though, so it is a housing solution – does it matter not rented to a third party? There will be enough people in the city who will want the second unit for whatever reason – nanny suite, university students, rental, parents, office – that there is value there. You may not make a ton of money off the investment, but you will likely not lose either.
Nobody
at 11:07 am
Seen in a bunch of coach houses in Rosedale & Yorkville.
Properties are large enough to have a back garage and a useful back yard. Space is created to be flexible as an office, teenage/university suite, extended stay by relatives, or a caregiver.
Some people might eventually rent it out but very unlikely. Still does provide additional housing and alleviates demand for 1/2 bedrooms in other locations.
The areas that had substantial space and where many properties had been converted into apartments are now frequently being turned back into single family homes (i.e. around UofT). Maybe we’ll see it happen around York/Humber/UTScarb – not familiar with those areas in terms of housing stock or market.
We should be legalizing all sorts of built forms and definitely making the kinds of projects your architect clients wanted to do easy. 91 Barton was just approved after wayyy too much drama and it was exactly in keeping with the 3 floor nature of its neighbourhood.
Dundas W of Bathurst still being 2-3 floors and so incredibly hard to do more is a shame. Shouldn’t have to spend 5+ years and $10s/100s MM to do a project. 2 years and $5MM should be enough for a 5 storey building on Dundas