Nobody likes paying high maintenance fees, and everybody likes a “deal” on the purchase price of a condo!
But how many people acknowledge that quite often, one is based on the other?

How much do you figure a parking space is worth to you, each month?
There’s some math involved, and perhaps it only makes the difference of a few dollars, but let’s take a look at the numbers…
Let’s assume that a parking space in a downtown Toronto condo is worth $30,000. Some are more, some are less, but let’s just assume we’re looking at a $529,000 condo without parking, that would cost $559,000 with parking.
Assuming a 5-year-fixed rate, 25-year amortization, at 3.09%, it would cost approximately $143.36 per month to carry that $30,000. If the parking space cost $35,000, it would cost $167.26 to carry that cost.
So what does the average parking space rent for in downtown? $150? Maybe as low as $100 or as high as $200?
If you do the math, you see that there isn’t a huge difference between the cost to rent a parking space, and the cost associated with actually owning a condo with parking.
I find that the cost isn’t a monetary one, but rather a psychological one for the buyer.
Some buyers who don’t even have a car say, “I still want to own a condo with parking,” even if they’re losing money each month carrying $143.36 in mortgage cost for a space that only rents out for $120, and is likely vacant 1-2 months per year as they scramble to find a lessee.
Other buyers who have a car might not care in the slightest if the parking space is owned or leased, so long as they have a place to park their cute little Prius each and every night.
The cost can either be up-front, or each month, but in the end, the buyer is likely paying around the same.
This brings me to the subject of maintenance fees, and how high-fees can actually lower the price of a unit beyond what is otherwise reasonable.
As a refresher, here are the “tiers” of maintenance fees, if you will:
Less than $0.50 per square foot – this, in my opinion, is unsustainable. These $0.41 fees only exist on paper for pre-construction, in brand-new buildings where the fees are going to increase, or in perhaps in 1% of cases – in unique, boutique buildings with no amenities, and a budget made by God himself.
$0.50 – $0.60 per square foot – this is a very reasonable range! Newer buildings might offer $0.52/sqft fees, and of course if they have concierge, gym, and other amenities, and one of heat/hydro is included, that’s fantastic value.
$0.60 – $0.70 per square foot – this is probably the ‘average’ range for downtown condos.
$0.70 – $0.80 per square foot – this is starting to get expensive. There are a lot of fantastic downtown condos that happen to have fees around $0.76 per square foot, and while it’s not yet “expensive,” it’s starting to creep up there. If heat and hydro are separate, then you’d better have some killer amenities to make up for it!
$0.80 – $0.90 per square foot – this is “expensive.” There’s simply no other way to put it.
$0.90 and up – this is “insane.” There’s just no other way to put this, either.
So what about a building where fees are $1.00 per square foot? What do we make of this?
Well, $1.00 per square foot is absolutely, positively insane, and I feel for the owners in those buildings.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that I would never, under any circumstances, sell to a client in a building that has fees like this.
However, I’m talking about your more ‘typical’ condos, and not the so-called ‘luxury’ condos like Trump and Four Seasons where fees are astronomical, but you’re paying for drycleaning, dog-walking, an in-house restaurant, cigar-lounges, and whatever other BS that would only be valued by Saudi Princes that own condos so they can visit once every other year. I’m not talking about your typical $400K condos in building X, Y, or Z.
So let’s look at a current example, and I apologize in advance if you happen to live at 50 Lombard Street, and I’m not trying to pick on you and your building, but I’m always asked about this building and the maintenance fees, so I think it’s a good working example for this blog post. If you’re reading this in the year 2014, and you Googled “50 Lombard Street” and found this blog post, well, what can I tell ya? Your decision was (hopefully) well-thought-out, and ultimately my opinion is not fact. I hope you’re happy in your new condo, and wish you all the best.
The last unit that sold at 50 Lombard Street was approximately 1,236 square feet, and had monthly maintenance fees of $1,225.87 per month.
Do the math, and you’ll see that we’re just shy of a buck-a-square;$0.99 per square foot.
Now what do you think the average price per square foot is in downtown Toronto?
Is it $500 per square foot? Or are we well past that now?
Is it $550 per square foot? Probably, although I’ve seen “averages” listed around $650 in newsletters and in the media. These numbers, in my opinion, are inflated by “luxury” projects like Trump, where units (apparently) sell for $1,900 per square foot. So for the purpose of this example, let’s assume the average is about $575 per square foot.
The 1,236 square foot unit above, based on the average, would sell for approximately $710,700.
But as you might have assumed, it did not.
In fact, it did not come even close.
Perhaps the “average” isn’t a fair metric for a building like this, which may be a bit older, and may not be a sexy as something on Portland or Stewart.
So let’s assume that this building was a $500-per-square building. That would but this 1,236 square foot unit around $618,000.
But alas, it did not sell for that. It did not come even close.
$450 per square would be $556,200, but that’s still a dream.
$400 per square would be $494,400, but that’s wishful thinking.
No, this unit sold for a paltry $405,000, or roughly $328 per square foot.
When was the last time you heard about a condo selling for $328 per square foot? Those were pre-construction prices back in 2005!
So what’s the conclusion I’m looking to draw here?
Well, I’m interested to know just how much those high maintenance fees affect the sale price, and ultimately if it makes more sense to:
a) Pay a higher price for the condo, and have lower fees
b) Pay a low-low price for the unit, and have astronomical fees
So let’s assume that this 1,236 square foot condo with $1225.87 monthly fees instead had fees of “only” $865.20.
Now I know that $865.20 still sounds like a very high number to you, but keep in mind – this is based on square footage! Every condo in the city (well not every condo, since buildings like 287 Richmond have $400 fees for each unit, regardless of size…) bases its monthly maintenance fees on square footage, so this is the norm.
$865.20 is based on $0.70 per square foot, which as per above is sort of “getting pricey” but not quite expensive.
So if this 1,236 square foot unit had $0.70 per square foot maintenance fees, how much would you expect to pay?
The fact that it sold for $405,000 in the first place is outrageous. Where else would you see such a low price per square foot?
So I ask again – how much would you expect to pay for this 1,236 square foot unit if it had maintenance fees of $865.20 ($0.70/sqft)?
How about $499,000? Is that reasonable? Actually, I think that’s fantastic! That’s still only $404/sqft!
How about $549,000? That’s still great value! $549,000 for a 1,236 square foot unit in downtown Toronto? Count me IN! That’s still only $444/sqft, and you might argue that you could go higher.
In fact, if this unit had maintenance fees of, say, $741.60, or only $0.60 per square foot, what’s to stop us from using a $500/sqft price estimate? That would put this unit at $618,000.
But why don’t we get crazy here and throw both together – the low $0.60 per square foot maintenance fees, AND the $444/sqft price.
So that leaves me with this question: where do you see more value?
a) A 1,236 square foot unit for $549,000, with monthly fees of $741.60
b) A 1,236 square foot unit for $405,000, with monthly fees of $1,225.87
You’d probably choose the second one, right? If you’re following the math, you would.
But in practice, nobody would choose the second one, even if it makes financial sense.
Option (a) has monthly fees that are $484.27 lower than option (a). That’s $5,811.24 per year, meaning you could live there for 25 years before the purchase price of (a) vs (b) is offset.
And if we used the more reasonable numbers (like monthly fees of $865.20), you’d be living there for 33 years before calling it even.
But as much financial sense as option (b) makes, there’s not a buyer out there that would want a condo with fees of $1,225.87 per month. Even if it’s a great “deal,” it’s almost unsellable to me.
None of my buyers would ever look at this unit, even at $405,000.
I might explain, “If you can handle the extra $484.27 per month in fees, it’s going to save you $144,000! You could stay there for five years, spend an additional $29,056 in monthly fees, and save $144,000 on the purchase price!”
But the mind of a buyer just wouldn’t allow it. It still comes down to, “I don’t want to pay $1,225.87 per month, every month, plus hydro.”
And the savvy buyers will ask, “As good as this sounds, and as great as this $144,000 ‘savings’ would be, how hard is it going to be to sell in five years?”
Well-said, Mr. Buyer. Well said…

IanC
at 9:14 am
Math – it’s a necessary evil when resale prices per square foot and maintenance fees are all over the place. And it plays into people’s psychology as well – and fears about appreciation, not keeping up average appreciation (or gasp! depreciation).
For the parking – don’t forget to add the maintenance fees on parking – There was an older condo near Bloor and Yonge where I have seen it creep towards $100 per month! As car sharing improves (and with hopefully more rentals downtown with decent hours and after hour drop offs), older condos where there is almost a spot for every unit may soon have residents lose their fear of selling a 2 bedroom condo without parking. Selling a spot would let people whack their mortgage and they would pay less taxes and maintenance too! We are not there yet.
But to be fair, regardless of maintenance fees, a 1300 square foot condo will be less per square foot than an 600-800 square foot condo – regardless of maintenance fees – at least in Toronto. Manhattan is a different story.
If you buy a 1300 square foot condo in Toronto – there are more housing options that can compete with your fixed and monthly costs. You are living in a condo then because that’s the lifestyle you want. You could afford to be in a house (where most people still migrate to after they start having kids).
Before ending, I still think maintenance fees should only partially be based on square footage. The budgets are done in a spreadsheet, so it’s easy to separate out many fixed costs per unit such as cable, printing and mailing, dryer duct cleaning, fire inspections with security guard, etc. Things like energy and window washing – those are reasonable to be based on square footage. If you buy the largest unit in the building – you are subsidizing the smaller units. Fairer maintenance fees would also encourage more families to live downtown, and drive up demand for larger condo units without legislating them.
Geoff
at 9:16 am
Doesn’t your parking math require that the value of the parking space remain fixed over the next 25 years? With the majority of condos being built not including parking spots for all residents, it seems likely there will be inflationary pressure on prices. Plus I think most people would rather not go through the hassle of renting a spot (yes, it’s not a major hassle but it’s still a pain to go find one, give the cheques over, etc)
Darren
at 4:20 pm
FYI, new buildings are not allowed to have hydro included, so only older buildings will have that.
George
at 5:06 pm
What are the typical component expenses of maintenance fees? I presume the largest component is insurance, but is that correct? And what would cause a building like 50 Lombard to have such high fees? Is it to recover a massive one-time expense, or is 50 Lombard just that expensive to insure and maintain?
Paully
at 11:44 pm
At my old condo in North York, our budget for the complex was about $1.4 million. The largest single component was hydro, at about $340k per year, since we had electric heat.
The absolute best deal was the bulk cable package from Rogers. VIP cable with a digital box rental included for all 240 units ran about $108k, which works out to about $38 per month per unit. When we moved out I called Rogers and the same package was around $90 per month at a private residence. Ouch!
Insurance was only about $30k for the year, by the way. Gas was over $100k, so was water & garbage together. Gardening and snow removal were pushing $100k too.
You also generally pay roughly 5% to the property manager, about $70k in our case.
The numbers are all huge, and they add up fast! That is why a good Board of Directors and experienced, capable Property Manager are so important!
Vlad
at 11:19 am
We are renting a newly renovated 2BR 900SF condo in a 25-year old building near High Park. At the time we leased it, it had been listed for sale for months at a very reasonable $280,000. Unfortunately, the condo fees on this unit are around $875 per month!
However, those fees include heat, hydro, central air, water, Rogers VIP cable, and garbage pickup. Additionally, the building is well-maintained and fully updated with a gated concierge, full-size pool, Jacuzzi, modern gym with machines and free weights, change rooms, party room with kitchen, big-screen viewing room, basketball court, squash court, 2 pool tables and a lounge with WiFi.
Obviously, the condo fee is fairly horrifying. But, having owned several houses, I know that heat, hydro, central air, water, Rogers VIP cable, and garbage pickup alone would easily eat up half of that monthly fee. So, I look at is if the real “fee” is only around $440. Not bad. Just don’t ask a potential buyer to see it that way.
Phil
at 4:56 pm
In the case of 50 Lombard, a motivated seller should offer to pay 50% of the condo fees (for certain years) while charging a higher price. I guess this will make the buyer feel much better since he is buy a condo with a reasonable condo fee now.
That being said, what happened to 50 Lombard? It is not a luxury building at all.
shawnjkb
at 1:33 pm
I live in an old townhouse in Etobicoke where maintenenace fee is hiked every year, this year alone they raised it to 730+, a rise of almost 13% ! Condo is maintained by York Condo. Corporation(YCC 340), a poorly managed organization with history of making money out of maintenance fee. Although newer condo have less maintenance fee but they are definitely going to raise it once fully occupied.
Vincent
at 6:06 pm
Here in Vancouver BC, average condo fees are around .40 per square foot.
Why are they so much more expensive in Toronto? I don’t understand?
http://www.vancouvercondoreport.ca/Strata%20Fees.aspx#.UzNLDKhdWRg
Chris
at 12:06 am
I’m not sure I follow the logic around choosing option A over option B.
Assuming 20% down for both properties and a 25 year term at 2.7%, you’ll have the following scenarios:
A) Mortgage of $439,999
Monthly mortgage amount: $2,011
In year one, $969 of that is interest each month, $1,042 is principal
Total cost each month (maintenance + mortgage): $2,011 + $741 = $2,752
$1,710 of that is expense, $1,042 is principal
B) Mortgage of $324,000
Monthly mortgage amount: $1,484
In year one, $715 of that is interest each month, $769 is principal
Total cost each month (maintenance + mortgage): $1,484 + $1,225 = $2,709
$1,940 of that is expense, $769 is principal
The cost difference for each scenario is negligible, but in scenario A you are paying $230 less in “expenses” each month, and you have $273 dollars more going towards principal.
You could argue that you had to tie up more money with option A, and you could have invested it elsewhere… but there are few investments that are going to give you the same level of returns the Toronto real estate market has been delivering for years.
Chris
at 12:34 am
Said another way, at 2.7% interest the additional $144,000 required to purchase option A) would cost approximately $280/mo in interest. That is well below the additional $484.27 you’d be paying in higher maintenance fees with option B.