What Is The Value Of A “Den?”

Condos

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January 11, 2013

Is a 1-bedroom-plus-den always going to be worth more than a simple 1-bedroom?

Not according to many buyers!  It all depends on what you’re looking for…

That’s a pretty sweet den!

But not quite the one I’m talking about…

No, I’m talking about the cozy little corner of your 1-bedroom-plus-den condo that you never seem to know what to do with!

Some people use it as an office.

Some people use it as a TV room.

Some people use it as a dressing-area for their ladies.  Bring your own armoire!

And to be honest, a lot of people use it for storage.

But many people have absolutely, positively, no clue what to do with the “den” in their condos, since it’s not quite large enough to be a bedroom, it’s too big for just a desk, they don’t have enough books to make it into a library, and they really, truly have no use for it.

For as long as condos have been around, the “one plus den” has always trumped the simple “one bedroom,” both in terms of stature and price.

If you walk into a sales centre for a pre-construction condo, you’ll find that the A-tier floor plans are 2-bedrooms, the B-tier is filled with 1-plus-dens, and the C-tier is comprised of 1-bedrooms.

But more and more buyers are starting to wonder: why is this?

Dont’ get me wrong – a 700 square foot, 1-bedroom-plus-den is worth more than a 640 square foot 1-bedroom, but what if they were the same size?

That’s what I want to talk about today.

Let’s, for a moment, compare apples to apples.

Let’s forget that 1-bedroom-plus-den units sell for more, and are worth more, than 1-bedrooms because they are almost always larger, and let’s consider all things being equal.

Let’s look at the actual use, functionality, and style of the condominium den.

I’m going to show you two floor plans.  Actually, it’s one floor plan that I’ve edited myself, as the second floor plan does not exist, but personally I prefer the second floor plan.

This is a 700 square foot condo.  Have a look, and pay attention to the den, the kitchen, and the living/dining:

Bottom line: I’ve taken the den out of the first unit and I think that makes a MASSIVE difference.

The living/dining room is larger.

This is where condo owners spend most of their time, assuming you don’t consider sleeping for eight hours “time spent.”

The biggest problem with 1-bedroom condos is that many of them don’t have room for a dining room table, and I think this affects the potential resale value.  Stagers make a living by cramming a tiny 2-person dining table into a space that won’t fit it, while shrinking the living space to fit a 2-person couch with a 32-inch television.  It’s smoke and mirrors, and in reality, many condos just aren’t conducive to both living AND dining, even though every listing on MLS will call it “Living/Dining.”

Based on my own experiences and those of my clients, I think that a large, long, open concept living/dining room is one of the most sought-after features of a 1-bedroom condo.

The second floor plan is far more versatile, and it’s large enough that even if somebody wanted a desk (that might otherwise go in the den), they could put one in between the living/dining rooms.

The kitchen is larger.

Again, consider that I edited this myself, in PAINT, so I’m hoping the difference is not subtle.

The kitchen in the second floor plan is exactly 23% longer than in the first floor plan, it makes a big difference!  There’s more counter space, the kitchen is more open, and you can comfortably have two people in the kitchen as opposed to one.  You can also have the fridge and the dishwasher open at the same time!

There is a large hall closet.

Many people use their dens for storage, or for stuff that they don’t know where to put (like all the stuff your parents bring you back from their trips to Florida…), so why not just have a big hall closet?  This is effectively the size of two regular storage lockers, and spending a bit of money on custom shelving would enable you to fit everything that normally goes in your pantry, hall closet, bedroom closet overflow, storage locker, and laundry closet.

I’m not trading the den for a closet – make no mistake here!

But I do think that if we had two condos, same square footage, we could make a far more functional 1-bedroom than a 1-bedroom-plus-den.

The issue with the trade-off is twofold:

1) Buyers want more living/dining space.
2) Most dens are under-utilized.

But those two issues together, and the solution is simple: get rid of the den, and use the square footage elsewhere.

If you had 700 square feet to work with, you could probably design your dream condo, and it wouldn’t be either of the two floor plans pictured above.  You’d probably shrink the bedroom (all you do is sleep there anyways!  You’re not Patrick Bateman doing stomach-crunches on the floor!), add a second bath, change the location of the closets, etc.  I know there are an infinite number of floor plans in your heads, but just work with me here and focus on den or no den.

I have to think that 70-80% of today’s condo-buyers would rather live in the second unit than the first, and this is based on assessing the needs of my current buyers, and those that I’ve sold to in the past 12 months.  The den is usually a “nice to have” on most people’s list, but a large majority of buyers want to “feel” the space and determine if the layout is right for their style of living.

And let’s not forget that the den in the first floor plan above is actually deep, wide, and enclosed!  This is a good den!  Compared to so many of those laughable “dens” out there, where you can barely fit a desk and a chair – this one might actually get some use!

Nevertheless, I think the idea of a “home office” has fallen by the wayside, since most people have a laptop that sits on their coffee table, instead of a giant desktop PC with a two-foot-thick monitor and a computer that sits on the ground next to the desk.

The truth is: unless you’re running a home-business, you likely don’t need 80 square feet as an “office.”  How many paper-clips do you have?  How much space do you need for six pens?  Can’t you keep that stuff in a drawer?

Unless your den-home-office is ego-driven, and you need wall space for your MBA and your movie posters from Wall Street and Boiler Room, you probably don’t actually “need” that space for work.

How many of you have a printer under your couch that you plug in when you need it once a week?  Or how many of you have it on the floor in the corner of the room?  Do you really “need” 80 square feet for a printer, a few pads of paper, and all your university course books?

I have a den.

I have a 2-bedroom, 2-bathroom condo, and we’re talking above about 1-beds, but for the sake argument, I’ll divulge what I use my den for.

Ready?

Folding laundry.

I have a very nice glass table where I “should” be working from, a few bookshelves to show off the fact that I can read, and wall space for my ego (ie. photos from Kilimanjaro/Everest).  So what do I use that den for?  Folding laundry.  When a load comes out of the dryer, it goes right onto the glass table, and it’s slowly tended to over time.

That’s just me, but I feel as though it’s many other condo-owners as well.  I like the den space because I have a lot more square footage than with a simple 1-bedroom, and so I’m not losing out in other areas.

But when you look at most 1-bedroom condos versus the 1-plus-dens, I feel as though the space is wasted.

I have hard time seeing the value in the den pictured above, or figuring out what somebody would do with it.

I’m not den-hating here, since in reality, your 1-plus-den is likely larger than your neighbour’s 1-bedroom, but I am saying that the desire for dens is shrinking in downtown Toronto.  As people become more focused on their “entertaining space” (living/dining/kitchen), and less focused on the price per square foot and other metrics that are only good in theory, I think we’re going to see a lot more value placed on the layout and functionality of a condo.

The question becomes: will builders figure this out?  Or will they continue cramming 4 x 6 dens into condos so they can market the unit as something MORE and get a better buck for it?

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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11 Comments

  1. Sylvain Whissell

    at 9:32 am

    Great article. And you’re timing is spot on 🙂

    When first searching I thought I didn’t want a den precisely because of what you’ve described (takes up space that can fully be used). But as I have a huge office setup (e.g. – multiple 24″ monitors, scanner, printer, etc.) I’m starting to think that I really don’t want that in the living area. Though I’m leaning more now towards having most of that stuff hidden in a closet and used only as necessary (the scanner/printer are wireless anyway).

    So totally agree that it comes down to how the person wants to use the space. A bigger living/dining area is always a bonus.

    The hunt continues!

  2. Jeremy

    at 9:37 am

    Agree entirely. We are currently looking and have eliminated a couple of properties based on the small size of the bedroom, yet they have a good sized den that could have been used to make the bedroom larger.

  3. RT2020

    at 9:58 am

    If you have a door on your den, it can a useful multi-purpose guest bedroom / office / library / nursery / etc. These are not uses you generally want cluttering your living room. The problem is most condos today have tiny windowless dens that are not all that comfortable to be in.

    My condo originally came with solarium (I know how much you love these) I considered removing the solarium to make a large living / dining room. In the end, I liked the idea of having an ‘extra room’ better. I kept the solarium and replaced the old-style sliding doors with gorgeous french doors. Especially you’re a couple sharing a one bedroom apartment… the ‘extra room’ becomes valuable.

    1. David Fleming

      at 10:08 am

      @ RT2020

      Solariums are like dens but they have giant windows, sunlight, and a good vibe! I’d much rather have a work space in a solarium than a “den” which is really just a large space off the foyer, near the front door.

      You’re bang on though – a nursery is something I neglected to mention! I’ve had a lot of clients who made due with the solarium/den as a nursery until it was time to move on.

  4. George

    at 12:51 pm

    I purposefully looked for a den! I keep exercise stuff in it, which looks so much better there than it does sitting next to my couch in a living room. Of course, if my condo gym was better equipped, I wouldn’t have had to do that.

    Bottom line: If you only have four purposes for a living space: Eat, sleep, bathroom, and living/dining then a den is useless to you. If you have a fifth purpose (nursery, exercise, office, storage, etc.) then those extra walls can partition your space into a more appealing home.

  5. Geoff

    at 4:57 pm

    I moved from a one bedroom condo with solarium and tiny galley kitchen (1980s style) to a converted factory loft with only two rooms: one big L shaped room, and a bathroom. I just realized I was spending most of my time in my 4 room condo (kitchen/bedroom/living space/solarium) all in one room anyway, so might as well live in one giant (650 sq ft) room. It was awesome. Now I have a house and wife and kids and my life is basically over for a little bit, but I still think fondly of the good times I had in that loft 😉

    1. R

      at 5:44 pm

      Agreed. “Rooms” are overrated. Aside from a bedroom, and if you don’t have kids, a larger single space will always be more efficient and of more actual usable space than multiple smaller rooms. Just consider that for every room, you loose space to the door/entrance area, and some space around all the walls where you need to leave access.

      I’m also in a hard loft and the first thing I did was blow out every wall I could. Now I have 1154 SF of open space, with only the bedroom walled off (250SF- an old internal brick wall with archway and sliding barn door). All else is open and spaces are defined by furniture placement, rugs and lighting (different pot light circuits).

      AND, I work from home, so still have one section of the space with large desk, 14 linear feet of bookshelves and closed storage with more volume than most lockers (out building has none) and everything still works.

      Those dens as mentioned in the OP are the worst waste of space going. Most newer condos seem to have them, I can never figure out why. Never seen a single one that wasn’t a junk collection. I agree with you totally, David.

      R

  6. Devore

    at 9:48 pm

    “The question becomes: will builders figure this out? Or will they continue cramming 4 x 6 dens into condos so they can market the unit as something MORE and get a better buck for it?”

    They will keep doing what they’re doing, until they figure it out. Witness the demise of the ubiquitous “solarium” of the decade past. Apparently we all wanted to be urban gardeners back then, just as we all want to be home workers today. What will we be tomorrow?

  7. IanC

    at 9:19 am

    I can’t attach a picture – but I can say that I have seen a 600 square foot floor plan that was a 1 bedroom. And the builder just randomly dropped the word DEN on the picture and voila – it was a 1 + den. David could have wrote the word DEN on his second picture anywhere and it would be perfect! Deep ensuite Storage Room/closet, more natural light in the suite, bigger kitchen, usable living/dining, and still be 1 PLUS DEN. Why leave cash on the table and sell it only as a 1-Bedroom? Pffffffft

  8. lui

    at 9:07 pm

    I have a “den” in my 1+1 at my previous condo before..its was a size of a closet…

  9. Robert

    at 11:13 pm

    I totally agree with you on the subject of no den needed. I just purchased a 1+ den and I’m opening up the one wall with a six foot opening so I can use it as a formal dining area instead. It’s right off the kitchen and will be open to both kitchen and living room. I love to entertain groups larger then just 4-6 people and now will have a extra large living room that could accommodate 8-10 comfortably and a 9 X 14 dining room good for a table for 8. This will be perfect for me as I went from a 750sqft one bed to what will be a 1122sqft one bed. Never had a den before and I don’t believe I’ll miss it here either.

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