Closing Day Showdown!

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May 27, 2019

A friend of mine recently told me, “You need to watch Tango & Cash.  You just need to.  Trust me.”

I wasn’t sure why, or to what end, but I figured, what the heck?

After finishing the movie in three different 35-minute sittings, I texted my friend and simply said, “Greatest film ever made.”

Ah, the 1980’s!

I don’t know what it is about films from this era, but they just give me that shiver down my spine.

The music, for one thing.  Something about that synthesizer, I guess.  Every song from every movie sounds like the synth in “Beverly Hills Cop.”

Tango & Cash was a classic 80’s movie, not really any good, but you can feel just how good it would have been if you saw it in the theatre in 1989.  Maybe the Hyland or the Hollywood at Yonge & St. Clair?  Those were great spots!

When I think of classic 80’s movies, I’m not quite as enamoured with the cult-classics.  The Breakfast Club seems to jump out at most people, and yes, I’ve seen it a thousand times.  Sixteen Candles also had a home on the shelf in our basement, along with all the other Beta-Max movies that my mother taped off TV.  But growing up, there was one movie that I saw more than any other, and I still know every line in the movie, off-by-heart.  The movie?

Footloose.

This movie probably fell into the “cult classic” bucket eventually, and a 2011-remake (that I’ve never seen) likely jump-started the love for Kevin Bacon’s 1984 film once again.

Everything about childhood is remembered for being bigger, longer, or more exaggerated when you’re an adult, looking back.  But I swear, with minimial-to-no exaggeration, I think we watched this movie once per week for five years in the 1980’s.

Every time my sister and her friends babysat, it was Kevin Bacon, Sarah Jessica Parker, Chris Penn, and the one that everybody remembers, but Hollywood forgot: Lori Singer.

If you’re a Footloose fan, you have your favourite scene, or scenes.  There’s nothing quite like the dance scene at the end of the movie, and I really do get shivers watching that.  God DAMN the 80’s, just, wow…

My favourite scene?  Without a doubt, the tractor scene.

For those of you that have three minutes, humour me.  Please?

 

 

Ah, I just watched this.  I got a shiver when Ariel threw her hat in the air.  Laugh if you want, but my arms had goosebumps the whole time.  Oh man, when Chuck jumped – I felt the shivers to my core.

I think I need a minute…

…anyways…

By way of introduction today, Footloose gives us the classic game of “chicken,” and it’s what many buyers and sellers play with one-another leading up to the day of closing.  When a dispute or disagreement arises before closing, it’s not always resolved right away.  Many of you can attest to this, and let’s agree that while it sure makes things easier to resolve the disagreement as soon as possible, it’s not always as lucrative.

Who is to blame is often open to interpretation.  But then there are times when right and wrong are as clear as black and white, and I always find the responses of all parties involved to be very, very interesting.

Let me tell you about a situation I’m going through as we speak.

A client of mine purchased a condo over two months ago, and negotiated a long-enough closing date to ensure the tenant would vacate before possession was taken.

Surprisingly, this is not about tenancy, but that’s coming up a lot more often these days.

My client purchased a simple 1-bed, 1-bath condo, with parking and locker, that he plans to rent out as an investment property.

Our offer was simple as well.  There was a series of back-and-forths on the price, but the general terms were accepted by both parties right off the hop; deposit, closing, inclusions/exclusions, clauses, and a condition on a lawyer’s review of the status certificate.

Now before I move on, perhaps a quick introduction to “legal description” of unit, parking, and locker is warranted.

Any real estate agent can go into Geowarehouse or Public Records and check out the legal description of a freehold, as follows:

The same goes for condominiums.

In fact, Geowarehouse and Public Records are exceptionally helpful for us agents, who are trying to make up for a poor job done by other agents.

Case in point: how many listings agents will detail the exact legal description of parking or locker?

Very few.

If a condo comes with parking, many agents simply denote “1” parking space, or “owned.”

Here’s an example of an agent not doing their job:

Great, that’s really great help.

Although to be fair, maybe we blame the Toronto Real Estate Board for not making the “Prk Lev/Unit:” field mandatory.  This simply allows listing agents to be lazy, and not spend ten goddam seconds looking it up.

Here’s an example of an agent who has done half of the job:

There’s one space, and it’s P3-68.

Great.

But that’s not the legal description, and P3-68 does not go into the Agreement of Purchase & Sale.

Here’s how the listing should be done, and I will note that, while I picked this listing at random, it comes as no surprise that it belongs to the biggest listing agent in Liberty Village:

That is how the MLS listing should read.

The parking spot number is 322, but more importantly, we know it’s “Level D, Unit 142” as per the legal description.

How goddam easy is this?

Here, look:

Easy enough, right?

There’s our legal description for: a) the unit, b) the parking space, c) the locker

But as you saw above, some agents don’t do this.  They don’t bother to look up the legal description, and simply put “owned” in place of the locker or parking space.

So back to the offer I made on behalf of my investor-client.  Well, guess what route the listing agent there took?  That’s right – she didn’t put anything on the listing other than “owned” for both parking and locker.

So I went into Geowarehouse, looked up the legal description of the parking and locker assigned to this particular unit, and wrote this into my offer.

Our offer was, presumably, viewed by the seller – multiple times, since there were multiple sign-backs, and never was any issue made of the parking or locker.

Fast-forward to last week, and the listing agent called me.

Now to tell this story properly, I have to detail that there was a significant language barrier present.  I’m not trying to insult anybody, or be insensitive, but it goes with the story, and I always like proper perspective to be shown.

The listing agent called me last week and told me that there was a “mistake” on the listing, and that there was no locker.

No locker…….where?

No locker, with this unit, I was told.

I asked the listing agent why the seller had sold us a locker – one that was detailed in Geowarehouse as being assigned to this unit, and the agent told me that the owner has a few units in the building, and a few lockers, a few parking spaces, and they’re all mixed up.

Personally, I like when people take blame voluntarily.  It shows character, resolve, and humility.  But I knew that was not going to be the case here.

The listing agent said, “No locker, no locker” to every follow-up question I had, including the single-most important question I asked: “What do you propose as a solution to this problem we have on our hands?”

No locker.

That was all she said, and that was her solution.

Again, maybe it was a language barrier, but when I told her, “We purchased a condo with parking and a locker, and the condo wouldn’t have cost as much if there was no locker,” she simply said, “No, no, no locker,” and made a case that the seller would never have sold for less, even if there was no locker.

That’s nonsense, of course.

After a frustrating conversation, I realized that her solution was that we simply move forward and close on this property, at the same price, without a locker.

And that simply would not be the case.

Her mere suggestion was so misplaced, words escape me.

We had a legally-binding agreement of purchase and sale for a condominium unit, legally-described, as well as a legally-described parking space, and a legally-described locker.

The seller was obliged to provide all three pieces of real property as agreed upon, otherwise, the seller would be in breach of contract.

But the seller, as we soon learned, didn’t see it that way.

First, came their offer of a $3,000 abatement on the price, which simply served to show how unapologetic they were for their mistake, and how cheap and petty they wanted to be.  A locker is “worth” at least $5,000, and you could claim it’s worth more in different buildings, and far more when you consider the legal fees on the transfer alone (if you were solely buying/selling a locker) could be $1,500.  Not to mention, how often does a locker come up for sale?  What if this were a building where lockers were hard to come by?

Eventually, the seller offered $5,000, and I told my client, and he said he would think about it.  He told me, “I really want the locker though.  I’m not all that interested in the $5,000.  I mean, $475,000 or $470,000 for this condo, it’s not a big difference.”

That’s fair, and ultimately it’s his decision.

So I told the agent that we wanted the locker that they sold to us; the locker that was agreed upon, via legal description in the legally-binding agreement.

I know this sounds redundant, but I can’t stress this enough!  We had a legally-binding deal, and what happened next goes to show you how little that meant to the seller.

My client called me later in the week and said that the seller’s lawyer had contacted the buyer’s lawyer, and said they “didn’t want to close.

Really?

Didn’t want?

We’re doing “didn’t want” and “don’t want” now?

If only it were that simple.

They signed a legally-binding document, and then decided they “didn’t want” to close.

Yeah, well I “didn’t want” to go to a birthday party last weekend for a 2-year-old I’ve never met, but I went because it was important to my wife that we attend together, and because, apparently, this is how human beings socially interact in today’s world.

I can give you a long, long list of “didn’t” and “don’t” want, as I’m sure you could give me.

And those aren’t legally-binding!

I told my buyer-client that I was somewhat amused by the seller’s stance.  I wouldn’t use the word “cute” to describe their actions, but it was naive for sure.

My buyer’s lawyer told the seller’s lawyer that we wanted the locker upon closing, as was agreed upon, and that if they didn’t provide the locker, that they would be in breach of contract, and responsible for damages.

So here’s the million-dollar-question: what can the seller actually do?

Well, we were never told whether or not this locker existed.  It existed on Geowarehouse, and it existed enough for the seller to sell it along with the condo and the parking space two months ago, but what’s actually going on here?  Perhaps the seller owns three condos, and two lockers, and didn’t know which belongs to which.  Perhaps the seller already sold this locker to somebody else, who knows.

Bottom line: if this seller owns another locker, then can provide this one upon closing, and the deal will close as scheduled.

If the seller does not want provide a locker, and if the buyer and seller do not agree upon a price abatement, then the deal will not close.

The leverage exists with the buyer, and only the buyer.

When the seller said, “I don’t want to close,” it made me laugh.  The seller could probably sell this condo for another $10,000 today, and the seller may or may not have possession of a locker, so of course the seller doesn’t want to close.  But does the seller really think that he or she is in any position whatsoever to be talking about not closing?

The seller has zero leverage.

The seller is facing a breach of contract.

The blame, not that it’s important, rests equally with the seller and the listing agent.  Both agreed that there was a locker to be sold with the condo, both looked over the offer and signed off on the locker as legally-described, and now both will have to figure out how to address their “mistake.”

As I told my client, I think the seller will offer up $7,000 – $8,000 on closing day, and this deal will get done.

I’m not one to quibble over a couple grand, but in this case, with the seller and the listing agent not owning their mistake, or offering anything even close to an apology, then arrogantly making demands, I’ll chase the money.

You know, I made a mistake last month.  A fair-sized one, although not about money directly.

I called the listing agent I was working with, and I told her, “I fucked up.  It’s been a long day, it’s late at night, I’m tired, and I really did screw up here.  We’re both going to wear this if we don’t figure it out, so can you help me find a solution here?”

She was a pro.

And she said, “It happens, David, don’t worry.  What do you want to do?”

We sorted it out, and both buyer and seller were happy.

I then dropped off two bottles of red wine at her office to say “thanks.”

Every agent approaches these situations differently, and I still think “You kill ’em with kindness.”

When that agent tried to tell me that there simply was “no locker” and that we should all expect to move forward without one in the deal, even though what likely happened is her client, owning multiple units, just happened to be using that locker for her own personal belongings, I decided that I wanted to push this one as far as it would go.

It looks like there’s a closing-day showdown afoot, but even Sun Tzu would admit that the ending here was never in doubt…

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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29 Comments

  1. Appraiser

    at 7:14 am

    A Mexican standoff is a confrontation in which no strategy exists that allows any party to achieve victory. As a result, all participants need to maintain the strategic tension, which remains unresolved until some outside event makes it possible to resolve it.

    ~Wikipedia

    1. Appraiser

      at 3:51 pm

      P.S. Closing day is the “outside event”

  2. Verbal Kint

    at 8:00 am

    Looking forward to the follow up when you admit that the deal didn’t close and your client didn’t want the time, hassle or expense of a legal battle over a generic rental condo. I think the seller’s agent better understands leverage. You can’t afford Sid Troister for the small amount of damages at play, so your client’s choices are to hire Lionel Hutz, or maybe self-represent in small claims and spend all morning trying to explain real estate law to the presiding. Let us know if you go that route, some of us would probably love to attend.

    1. Jennifer

      at 1:22 pm

      Completely. They don’t want to close, they don’t close. Your guy has to start legal actions to get them to close, if that’s even a legal remedy (and not just damages, whatever that would be in the circumstances).

      You’ve repeated legally binding agreement multiple times, but I dont think you can say for certain you had a legally binding agreement, at this time. Mistakes can render contracts void or voidable. What will the facts/evidence show?

      It doesn’t seem like both can be happy – one wants to buy the locker, the other doesn’t want to sell the locker. If it was me, after some tries by my lawyer to include the locker, I would move on and find another unit. It’s not worth the money and mental hassle to deal with it otherwise.

      1. Professional Shanker

        at 3:15 pm

        Facts would show the agreement states a locker is included…..case closed really. You can’t say I didn’t review that part of the agreement.

        The difficult part becomes whether David’s client wants to call the seller’s bluff (they will include the locker) as opposed to just settle at $5k to $10k and start shopping for a locker. Once they don’t close the seller’s costs start to add up (lost income from rent, etc.).

    2. jeff316

      at 2:25 pm

      Agreed – if they don’t want to sell, the buyer is toast.

      1. Andrew

        at 3:51 pm

        Jennifer and Verbal: your distain for David has now caused you to read things that aren’t there. As Professional Shanker said, the locker was included in the APS. Case closed. But you want to make an argument that “mistakes happen” and that if Alicia Florek or Maia Rindell wants to take this to court then The Good Fight will take place. This is nonsense.

        Are we now at the point where people trolling David are just going to outright lie about facts?

        David, I appreciate the story and the lessons to be learned.

        1. Derek

          at 4:33 pm

          The threatening letters between the d#$% lawyers leading up to the closing date will cost as much as a locker. At least someone will get paid 🙂

          1. Professional Shanker

            at 5:29 pm

            which can be recouped by the losing party…..no?

          2. Professional Shanker

            at 5:30 pm

            sorry winning party, losing pays legal fees related to the matter of disagreement, no?

        2. Verbal Kint

          at 5:05 pm

          I wasn’t opining on the merits of the case. I was opining on the merits of litigating the case given the sums in dispute and the cost (in time, money and stress) of litigation, even if successful. Maybe read up on party and party costs versus solicitor and client costs. I wouldn’t be surprised if the seller understands this QUITE well.

          But if YOU want to render summary armchair judgment after an ex parte hearing, you just go right ahead. I hope you don’t get all your legal training from American network television.

          1. Appraiser

            at 7:05 pm

            Lots of legal lingo there big fella.

            “Barba tenus sapientes.”

        3. Jennifer

          at 7:27 pm

          Yes, thank you Andrew, I am aware it was in the contract. But you don’t know why it was there. Just because it was there is not case closed. Was it intentional and now they are backing down, are they doing this to trick you, or was it a mistake?
          No disdain, we are free to disagree. It’s an interesting scenario and I’m curious how this plays out.
          If my agent erroneously included a locker even though I had no intention of selling it would I have to sell it case closed? That would be ridiculous. No one suggested to go be Alicia Florrick (go to court) but that’s what it would come down to if they don’t want to close. That’s just reality. I wouldn’t take that route though. I would just go find something else to buy.

          1. Jason

            at 10:27 pm

            Yes, you would! It is your responsibility to read the listing agreement and sign and initial the pages. If you include a locker in the listing, then you are of course required to sell it. Why would you think otherwise?!

            Whether someone wants the hassle of pursuing this is another topic, but from a legal standpoint, the Seller must include the locker.

          2. Condodweller

            at 11:04 am

            I think the first order of business is to determine if the unit actually has a locker. If it’s the case of the owner owning multiple units but not as many lockers I would think each unit has a record of whether it has a parking/locker registered with it.

            I would think it would be very difficult to make the owner sell a locker which he/she does not have i.e. if the locker was erroneously listed as the unit does in fact not have a locker. Legal contract or not.

            The next question I would ask is how unique is this unit and is worth my time/money/effort to fight it? If it is a one of a kind unit it may be worth the fight though given it’s an investment property I doubt the buyer has any special attachment to it.

            OTOH, as I suspect it might be a unit as David has described before which is the same as many others in the building it’s probably better to move on and buy a similar unit that does have a locker.

            What’s the best/worst case scenario here? Best case is buyer takes the seller to court and he gets a favourable ruling where he is awarded the locker and expenses. Worst case he goes to court and does not get a favourable ruling and no expenses paid plus it has taken how long, 6 months to a few years to settle it?

            If it was me, I’m not sure I’d take legal advice from my realtor unless he was so sure of himself that he would offer his broker’s lawyer to deal with the matter at his cost.

            At this point the only damage is my lost time. I’d go and by the next available unit and be done with it. I’d agree with others who state it’s not a slam dunk legal case despite David’s strong belief that he has a contract.

    3. David Fleming

      at 11:17 am

      Thank you for the note – a follow-up is necessary, otherwise this blog post might not have legs!

      We agreed on $8,500. The deal will close tomorrow as scheduled.

      1. Derek

        at 3:32 pm

        All’s well that ends well and all’s swell that ends swell.

        1. Derek

          at 3:33 pm

          Although I feel like a moment of silence for the lawyers is warranted.

          1. Andrew

            at 5:56 pm

            David said “we” agreed. Again I feel like people are looking to slight him and give the lawyers the credit? He did what he said he would do.

            Verbal: man enough to offer a retraction?

      2. Appraiser

        at 6:38 pm

        Funny how a looming closing day brings clarity to the issue.

        1. Derek

          at 9:55 pm

          Andrew, the plot of my jest was that David took the billings from the poor lawyers…

          1. Andrew

            at 10:01 am

            My mistake!

  3. Ed

    at 8:40 am

    Best movie. – Ferris Bueller’s day off.
    Also incredible soundtrack

  4. Katie

    at 9:09 am

    I Wikipedia’d Sun Tzu. I’ll admit. lol

  5. Izzy Bedibida

    at 9:40 am

    When ex-wife and I were shopping for house that “would save us”, we ran issue of undisclosed tremolite asbestos in the attic. Listing agent’s pre-done home inspection didn’t list it, while our home inspection found nit. Listing agent was doing everything in her power to get the deal to close before official analysis from a registered lab confirmed it to avoid getting caught up in a potential fight.
    Our agent made it clear that we were ready to walk, while listing agent decided to move to another brokerage, and somehow not “represent” the sellers any more. My agent says that she was trying to get herself off the hook to avoid any legal proceedings that were potentially threatened.
    My agent reminded listing agent that once house goes back on sale, existing tremolite asbestos must be disclosed, and house would take that much longer to sell, and at a steep discount.
    Final result was that agent reduced price by $10,000 to cover the costs of asbestos removal, after a previous reduction of $8,000 to cover the cost of a roof replacement that our home inspection revealed.
    House closed on approved date, and asbestos people gave us a discount if we waited a bit to have it removed.

  6. Derek

    at 9:28 pm

    This, strangely or sadly, is an interesting scenario. My take is that it is “case closed” on the merits of the contract. If seller wants to claim “mistake”, per Jennifer, that’s probably an issue between agent and seller, but “closed” between seller and buyer. But, even if so, what are the buyer’s damages if he doesn’t get the keys on closing day? An investor likely cannot get a judge to award specific performance i.e. possession in accordance with the APS for a run of the mill condo. To be worth the cost of suing (never fully recovered if successful) there would need to be significant damages. 5-10k probably isn’t worth it, even to self-rep in small claims court. If there was some deep diving investment return argument to link to the specific property, it would cost more to pay an expert like Appraiser to write a report than you would otherwise recover for the cost of the locker.
    My prediction is there will be no communication barrier for the lawyers and they will work out a deal unless the seller is actually trying to sabotage the deal, or if the seller is prepared to bear the market risk of trying to sell it again (was this a multi-offer situation), or if the purchaser stands on principle. There are so many unknown variables despite the basic premise of the underlying problem. I really wonder if there are any lockers for sale in the building and what they cost. Let us know what happens!

    1. Derek

      at 9:46 pm

      P.s. what’s the seller’s risk for agent’s commission(s) if refusing to close?

    2. Sirgruper

      at 12:22 am

      The reality is that the buyer and seller will settle through their lawyers. The seller will either sell the locker or give close to the value to the buyer and retain it. If they don’t close, the deposit won’t be released and the buyer’s lawyer will tie up title and costs and damages just mount. Experienced lawyers will get this settled and believe it or not, at a reasonable cost. No need for Syd Troister who is a brilliant lawyer especially for Planning Act issues.

  7. James

    at 6:18 pm

    Or the agent is protecting their seller by not including the assigned number because they can sometimes be wrong.

    The legal number won’t give you a ton of insight into where the space is either because the assigned spot number vs legal number are often very different

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