How would you feel about living in the same vicinity as a fire station?
How about down the block? Across the street? Or right next door?
From a real estate perspective, shouldn’t these houses be inherently discounted?
In the summer of 1997, I took a part time summer job down the street from the local fire hall at a Sunoco gas station.
That’s right – I pumped gas!
I prefer the term “pump jockey,” but either way, I checked under the hood, read the dip stick, and don’t even talk to me about the lube, oil, and filter…
I made $7.00 per hour and I loved every second of it. I worked outside, and starting at 6AM meant I was off at 2PM every day! I had weekends off, and I basically worked alone and had nobody to answer to. How can you go wrong?
But when I think about that summer, one of the things I remember the most was the incessant sound of the fire engines humming down Laird Drive several times per day.
I guess in theory, firemen just sit around and wait for their turn to slide down the pole, and somewhere in between, they find the time to pose shirtless for the”Hunky Firemen Calendar.”
But in practice, they do exactly that – practice.
Most fire stations run the same practice drills along the same routes, and during the summer of 1997, I worked down the street from the Leaside firehall and I saw those three red rockets blaze by every day at the same time.
I guess I got used to it eventually; about as much as you can get used to the screeching noise and the dust kicked up by forty over-sized tires.
But it’s not something I would choose to experience every day.
A few months ago, I was showing houses in the Bloor West Village area to a couple of my clients, and we thought we’d hit the jackpot!
There was a house on Deforest that came out at $599,000, and we couldn’t believe that with the red-hot market in full swing, we might be able to get into the coveted Swansea neighbourhood for under $600,000 – and it was a detached home to boot!
On paper, it looked like a phenomenal deal.
I might go as far as to say that I rushed through the other homes we saw in order to provide for more time at Deforest.
Turning south off of Bloor Street was like driving through Pleasantville for my clients, and we turned right and headed down Deforest with great anticipation.
But alas, when I pulled up in front of the house with the giant “FOR SALE” sign, I couldn’t help but notice that there was a fire station directly across the street!
Imagine that!
On a quiet, quaint, residential street where there was nothing but single-family homes, there was a giant fire station with doors for three trucks.
Suddenly, this didn’t seem like such a “quiet, quaint” street after all.
And subsequently, this didn’t seem like a deal after all.
The house was just ‘okay,’ but none of that mattered anyways.
I told my clients, “There’s no way in hell you want to live directly across the street from that eyesore. Your lives will be turned upside down.”
I know our city isn’t ripe with arson, 24/7, but firemen regularly practice their duties, and trucks pull in and out of fire stations with sirens blazing every day.
Would you want to live next to that?
It’s like living in a condo where your next door neighbour is running a marijuana grow-op. Would you want to live next to that?
Would you want to be in an old apartment building, with thin walls, where the old lady in the unit next door has no hearing left and has to crank up the television to 100 decibels?
Would you want to live in a loft that’s above a recording studio?
Anything that interferes with the “quiet enjoyment” of your house or condo is a massive red flag, but the red fire engines across the street take things to a whole other level.
I thought that the siren on a fire engine was cool when I was seven years old, but I certainly don’t want to hear it six times per day.
Imagine finally getting your newborn baby to sleep after several sleepless nights yourself, and then having the guys from Ladder 49 sound the alarm and put the pedal to the metal on three trucks as they come careening down the driveway and past your front lawn.
Not for me, thanks.
I looked at a fantastic house for sale on Bellevue Avenue last year, but it was three houses down from Toronto Station #315.
The house was a gorgeous Victorian with a ton of original character and charm, and located only steps from College Street.
The area is fantastic – with Kensington Market just a three-minute walk south, but I couldn’t look past the fire station.
Don’t get me wrong, if a property is significantly discounted due to the proximity to the fire station, then I’m interested, and I would advise my buyer clients accordingly. But that discount would have to be “significant.”
If a house was selling for $899,000 on Bellwoods Avenue, just north of Queen Street, then what would the exact same house be worth one street over on Claremont Street, right next to the fire station?
If you try and tell me $870,000, I’m tuning you out.
If you tell me $850,000, I’m walking away.
How do you put a price on inconvenience, and constant disruption?
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it’s not such a big deal. Don’t forget – every buyer is different.
I had a conversation with a client just last night about “the perfect house,” which we’ll likely never find for them at fair market value, that is still affordable and within their budget. So I asked, “What would you rather have – the perfect house in a less-than-perfect area? Or an A+ location with a house that needs work?”
I think the buyer pool would be split 50/50 on that one.
The adage, “Location, location, location” certainly applies, but can’t you make due with an off-the-beaten-track location if the house truly is your dream home?
Maybe that’s a bit of a tangent, but the point I’m trying to make is that what might seem like an obvious answer to you could be the entirely wrong answer for another buyer.
And in my opinion, I would never want to live next door to a fire hall, at any cost.
I mean, if the house was $100,000, then fine. But realistically, do you know what I mean?
If that house on Claremont is $800,000, compared to the same house being priced at $899,000 on Manning, I still don’t want to live next to a firehall!
Same goes for across the street, and maybe even down the block.
I already have enough disruptions in my life when a hippie mistakenly knocks on my door at midnight and asks, “Heeeeey man, can I get a pound of Northern Lights?” Sorry, next door over…
Adding a fire engine once or twice a day isn’t ideal, and if I can avoid it (which any buyer can), then I’ll gladly do so.
You may come across this situation yourself one day.
Perhaps it’s better to give it some thought now than to find your “dream home” while browsing MLS and then pull up for a visit and see eight shirtless hunks winding up an 80-foot fire hose across the street.
Okay, wait, maybe for some of you, that’s not so bad….
Mila
at 11:01 am
I completely agree. You can’t put a price on inconvenience. To me there is no such thing as “perfect” house in a less than perfect area.
MattO
at 12:34 pm
I actually live in a condo that’s right next door to a fire station, AND there’s a police station next to the fire station, to boot…but I don’t hear the sirens nearly as much as it seems like you heard the Leaside ones. Maybe the Leaside firemen have a more rigorous practice schedule, or (more likely) I’m not home during the day when they make their practice runs.
I’ve also been told that the fire trucks/police cars aren’t allowed to turn on their sirens until they get out of the residential area, and onto Yonge street, which is probably another reason I don’t often hear the sirens (because I think occasionally, they’ll forget and turn the siren on immediately upon leaving the station).
I’ve been living there for about a year and a half now, and I hear the sirens maybe once every couple of months? I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as the experience you had with the Leaside fire dept. In contrast, the last time I visited my friend in NYC, I stayed at his place in the upper east side (86th and Lexington), and the sirens there were much worse, even though he didn’t live close to any police or fire station…almost every night I’d hear them. Maybe it’s just that much worse in NYC..
Smith
at 1:29 pm
The Toronto police should read your blog and finally hit up your neighbour one day…
BillyO
at 7:33 am
So with all this said, how bad is it that the otherwise lovely brand new Four Seasons in Yorkville is being built right next to a fire station? Does the fact that it is in Yorkville make up for that compared to the other 5 star projects?
Richard
at 12:17 pm
I’ve been living in a condo at Bay & Grosvenor for the past 2 years. Just down the street on Grosvenor is a fire station. I don’t even remember hearing a siren, it’s so infrequent. (And sometimes the siren comes from an ambulance, I’m sure.) For whatever reason, it has never been an issue. Maybe it’s different if you live next door or across the street from it, I dunno.
So Succexxy
at 5:01 pm
When the fire alarm goes off in the middle of the night and you jump out of bed, what are you wearing? give us a visual.
xxx
at 5:04 pm
Is it possible that after seeing your lover boy ford in office for a couple months, just maybe you’re going back on your word and all that praise you previously bestowed upon him? I think we all knew this would happen.
Moonbeam
at 6:46 pm
I have train tracks behind my back yard, and now and then a GO train goes by, but I’m so used to it, I don’t even notice it… Same with everyone on the street… I guess you can learn to tune out some noises…
Dorian
at 12:15 pm
There is a station not far from me and it depends on the time of year. Canada day for example they will be busy because of the fireworks and people not using them right. There may be sirens several times in one day then nothing for a month. At night they might give a short burst at the intersection. Now if your talking about paying 8 or 9 hundred thousand for a house I think at that price level I would expect a quiet area off the main drag and certainly not near any fireball.
Dorian
at 1:23 pm
I lived close to the go line years ago and yes you do get used to it after a while but sirens are irritating and you don’t get used to them so why would a person move beside a firehall. Much less pay a huge price that could buy them a nice place on a quiet street far from such a noise maker.
Maggie K.
at 11:42 pm
We lived about 8 houses away from a fire station and I don’t really remember hearing sirens much or in any way that I remember it being annoying. We did have some annoying outdoor drinking/swearing neighbours though.
Josh Rachlis
at 11:30 am
I live in a condo at King and John. I’ve been here eight years. And I’m finally losing my mind. There’s a fire station a couple blocks away and it seems that sirens are going by every few minutes. I’m constantly be being woken up at night. I’m always exhausted. I don’t know how other people downtown tolerate this. But I’m hitting my breaking point.