What Is A “Penthouse” Anyways?

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April 12, 2011

This is a timely follow-up to Friday’s discussion of paying more at Festival Tower just to live in the “Redford” unit instead of the “Model Z.”

But what about living in the prestigious “Penthouse” of a building?  Does that carry some weight?

I think it does, and if the photo below is any indication, I think developers are catching on…

I can count!

Can you?

My niece is now ten months old, and when Uncle Pipes and Charly Bear have their hangout time, I can’t help but try to teach her something educational.   Perhaps a few letters of the alphabet, or maybe counting from one-to-ten?  She’s all but rebuffed my attempts to teach her the 27 Major League Baseball players to record 3,000 career base-hits, and she can’t pronounce “Roberto Clemente”……yet

I mention this because I think even my ten-month-old niece, with a little coaching, could count the number of penthouse levels in the photo above.

Oh sure, all rational logic and common sense might dictate that there should only be ONE penthouse floor in a building, but the above photo tells another story…

Ask the average Joe what a “penthouse” refers to and he might say “it’s the top floor of a building.”

I might agree with that.

www.dictionary.com defines a penthouse as “an apartment or dwelling on the roof of a building, usually set back from the outer walls.”

Any way you slice it, you’d expect that a penthouse is the top floor of a building, and thus it’s special.

You can’t get any higher!  You’re already at the top!

This has led to the definition of “sub-penthouse,” which speaks for itself – it’s the level below the penthouse.

That’s all well and good, but I can’t help but wonder when, or who developed the idea of the “sub-sub-penthouse.”

Maybe it was the same guy who figured he could steal all the business from “Eight Minute Abs” by developing “SEVEN Minute Abs!”

As cynical as I am, I ignored this topic for a while.

I was in Liberty Village a few weeks ago at 50 Lynn Williams Street and I couldn’t help but notice that they had floors labelled PH3, PH2, and PH1.

Really?

PH3?

I understand the penthouse, and I suppose the sub-penthouse, but I laughed when I saw “PH3” because somewhere out there is an owner who orders a pizza and instead of saying “Unit 2307,” says “The twenty-third suite on the third penthouse level.”

It’s like the DiCaprio, Hepburn, and Keaton units all over again!

So imagine in pre-construction for 50 Lynn Williams when salespeople were offering “Penthouse” units that were on the 23rd storey of a 25-storey building.  I find the whole idea to be comical, at best.  Did anybody bite on this?  Did people actually purchase because they were being offered a “Penthouse,” or was it just a nice, ridiculous surprise when they took possession?

If you stole the hood ornament on a Mercedes, and duct-taped it to the front of your Honda, could you drive around and tell people that you’re in a Mercedes?

“That’s funny…..I didn’t know that Mercedes made a Civic…”

Today I was in Lumiere at 770 Bay Street, and I noticed the following:

Wow.

SIX penthouse units!

That’s like taking eight-minute-abs, re-branding it as seven-minute-abs, and then doing it in SIX MINUTES!

Because why would the developer only create six penthouse units?

Would seven have been ridiculous?

Does six-versus-seven represent that line that you just do not cross?

Is it like the fine line between the first row of golds at the A.C.C. and the last row of platinum?

How do you think the owner on the 27th floor feels?

He got shafted!

He could have been Penthouse Seven, but instead, he’s just on the 27th floor.

Boooooooo-ring!

Call me crazy, but I’ve always thought that the “Penthouse” should be something special!  If you’re on the top floor of an 80-storey-building, then that’s certainly a penthouse!

But there’s nothing special about living on the 28th floor of a 33-storey building, even if you label it with a “P” and an “H.”

And for those who want to put a number to this, consider that 19% of these floors are “Penthouse Levels.”

Nineteen percent!  Is that a little ridiculous?

I might be able to understand SIX penthouse levels if this building were 80-storeys, but it’s only 33-storeys, and there is no 13th floor.  And are there any units on the ground floor?  How many residential units are on the third level where the amenities are?

So let’s round up and say that one-quarter of all the actual units in the building are considered “Penthouse Units.”

One quarter?  That’s ridiculous.  They’re not fooling anybody.

I’ll go as far as to say that personally, I would prefer not to live on “PH6.”

I can’t just imagine the scorn and ridicule I would have to endure from my friends.

PH6?  Really?  There’s no way that would get past my group of friends without a comment, or twenty.

It just sounds so phony.

I’d much rather live on “Floor 27” than “PH6,” and I’m not just saying this to add more credibility to my post.

Just imagine how crazy it would be for my 2nd floor condo to fall into this trap; I’d be living on PH15!

If you’ve ever seen a building with PH1, PH2, PH3, PH4, PH5, PH6, and beyond, please let me know!  Or better yet – take a photo!

Just like the guy that turned eight-minute-abs into seven-minute-abs, I’m sure there is a developer somewhere that is looking at the six levels of Penthouses at Lumiere and thinking, “I can do one better”…

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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13 Comments

  1. DB

    at 9:09 am

    One more reason Spire is not over priced (David – feel free to add a link to the post where you ponder this) – you pay to be in a building where people are not douche bags. First the builder knew they were selling to people who did not care about having a 13th floor, second the people at the top of the building are not so douche-y to want to be on PH3 – 4302 is just fine.

  2. Claire

    at 9:59 am

    I agree with you, that’s totally nuts! It just shows the developers greed to me, and the stupidity of the people, who probably paid a lot more so that they could say they live in the penthouse.

  3. JG

    at 10:49 am

    This is one of the biggest pet peeves i have to date!!!

    And i actually start the hating when i see ‘sub-penthouse’

    if its not on the top floor, then it is not a penthouse. period! i feel bad for those on PH1 – because they have the only true units which can be called ‘penthouse’ but now they have to share that title with 5 others!

    would not PH1 lose some of its allure when there are 5 others? i believe they would.

  4. El Mike-o

    at 6:36 pm

    I agree, this is just silly. My understanding of the term “penthouse” dates from the 1970s. It was understood to mean the single unit *above* the top floor, not the top floor as a whole. It was consistent with the dictionary definition you cite. So the idea of the penthouse had real prestige. You had to be a real bigshot to live in the penthouse. I think the forthcoming ultra high-end buildings like the Trump tower will have penthouses in this traditional sense.

  5. Kyle

    at 6:36 pm

    Is M1 the new PH?

  6. Richard

    at 10:27 pm

    I almost bought into Lumiere. I’m glad I didn’t. This nonsense is a real turn-off. I understand Penthouse. I even understand Sub-penthouse. But what on God’s green earth does PH6 mean??? How can anyone think PH6 is the top floor of the building?

    Frankly, “28th floor” sounds a heck of a lot more impressive than “PH6”. “28th floor” sounds high. “PH6” doesn’t sound like anything! What does it mean? Five floors below the Penthouse? Big frakking deal.

  7. Lisa

    at 11:43 pm

    Well now, let’s not jump the gun…

    Maybe PH just stands for “Pretty High”?

    😀

    1. M

      at 9:14 am

      What a stupid remark……….You saying PH. stands for ‘pretty high!’!!!

    2. David

      at 11:48 am

      Lisa, you are a clever girl. Thanks for the comment.

  8. Jeremy

    at 7:47 am

    Just imagine how crazy it would be for my 2nd floor condo to fall into this trap; I’d be living on PH15!

    That’s probably the inevitable conclusion. Just number all buildings from the top down.

  9. terminator

    at 4:12 pm

    I’ve been in buildings where PH2-PHn were full floor units, you’d never know unless you tried to access it.

  10. M

    at 9:10 am

    A PH ‘label’ on an address or suite that is Not on a top floor is just another marketing tool for the realtor/or owner of the building to get more money for the apartment/or suite unit !So the PH means nothing anymore like it did years ago. You are not necessarily on the top floor anymore if the PH ‘label’ is in your address!! It’s all about how much MORE the realtor/or owner of the building can get for a 3rd or 4th floor apartment/or suite unit !!

  11. beefeater

    at 6:40 pm

    Use ANYWAY when you write…because Any already adds a sense of plurality to the word. It’s like saying: In any case(s). There’s no need for the s at the end.
    Anyway, just saying.
    Cheers.

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