Third Time’s A Charm!

Condos

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February 18, 2020

I’ve come to realize that using the phrase, “This is a first for me” to describe an experience in real estate is naive on my part.

It doesn’t matter how long you’re in this business, you are going to continually see things for the first time, again and again.  The business evolves, as do the people within it, the processes for transacting in real estate, and thus the experiences endured.  Along the way, change is constant, and “firsts” are going to appear.

Back in December, my colleague, Chris, and myself, were working with clients who wanted to purchase a home and sell their condo.

Easy enough, right?

This represents the largest part of my business, and has for the last few years: condo-owners who are moving up to houses.  Or if you want to put it the other way around: home-buyers who happen to own condos.

It’s more than just a coincidence that this is where I find myself working probably half of the time, since an overwhelming majority of house-buyers also happen to own condos.  That’s just the nature of the real estate cycle.  Looking at my board right now (yes, I have a board), I currently have eight would-be home-buyers who are living in condos, and who would be selling those condos once they purchase a home.

As I said, this is the largest part of my business, and for the most part, it’s smooth sailing.

We’ve talked a lot in the past about “buying before selling,” and while there are proponents of both sides of this argument, almost every client I’ve ever worked with has bought and then sold.  The reasons, and the risks, are a topic for another day.  But suffice it to say, the way our market works, you need to spend time house-hunting and then perhaps make multiple purchase attempts before finally tying one up, and then sell the condo, which for the most part, has had few obstacles over the years.

Our clients in this case, we will call Allan and Frances.

Allan and Frances owned a condo in the west end (purchased through another agent) that was only 6-years-old, and in a dynamite location, with decent amenities, and was a reasonably-priced building.  Sales in the building weren’t exactly plentiful, but there was a track record over the past two years.

We figured their condo was “worth” about $575,000, but we told them that when the time came, we felt we could get $600,000 for it.

We set out to find a house for Allan and Frances, using a conservative sale price of $575,000 for the condo in our calculations of affordability and purchasing power, and after losing out on two houses, we ended up securing one that was about 10% below their price ceiling.  Who doesn’t love that, right?

Our next job was to put the condo on the market, and we continued to follow all the steps that we use with our other sellers.

We met with our stager, Lucie, and walked Allan and Frances through the process.

First, we listed off everything that they needed to remove from the condo, and over the following weekend, they did so.

Second, we had painters come into the unit to provide a fresh look.

And lastly, Lucie and her team came through and staged the condo, bringing in about 50% of the furniture that would be presented to buyers upon the listing.

From a pricing standpoint, we used what I call the “hybrid” strategy between the age-old “under list and hold back,” and “price at fair market value,” which is to say that we did both.

We priced at $599,900, and had a set offer date.

Why?

Well, we didn’t like the idea of pricing at $499,900, or $529,900, or $549,900, looking for bids of $600K or above.  There just wouldn’t be the organic interest in this unit, in this building, in this location.

Figuring that our staging, marketing, and ability to sell real estate would bring this unit around $600,000, even though comparables said $575,000, we priced at $599,000, but also had an offer date, to try to trick the market into either bringing us a bully offer over list, or bringing us multiple offers on our scheduled offer night.

And if it didn’t work?  Well, we just leave the listing out at $599,900, no harm, no foul.

I always order the condominium’s Status Certificate well in advance of the listing, not only to encourage unconditional offers (by having a copy for interested buyers and buyer agents to review) but also so I can familiarize myself with the building.

This building looked to be in good shape.

The reserve fund had $2.5 Million in it, which is exceptionally rare for a building of this age!

There was a budget surplus of $50,000 for this fiscal year, which is also quite rare, and very unexpected.

There were no special assessments planned, and no maintenance fee increases scheduled.

There were, however, two issues:

1) The building had Kitec plumbing.
2) There was a lawsuit.

Call me cavalier, but neither of these is uncommon.

Literally hundreds of downtown Toronto condos have, or had, Kitec plumbing, and hundreds and hundreds of buildings have had the Kitec replaced in the last five years.  I have a standard clause that I use when representing the sale of a unit with Kitec, which holds back funds from the sale proceeds for upwards of twenty-four months, to be held in trust, and applied to the eventual cost of Kitec replacement.

Lickety-split.

As for the lawsuit, I wrote about this at length in November: “When Is A Condo Lawsuit A Dealbreaker?”

In this case, the condominium corporation was the plaintiff in the lawsuit, and not the defendant, which is far less concerning (some lawyers would say “not” concerning).

Again, call me cavalier if you want to, but I’m not playing down these two issues because of bias, but rather experience.  I have sold dozens of condos with Kitec plumbing, both on the buy and sell sides, and I’ve sold dozens of condos with varying types of lawsuits.

This literally comes down to the old adage about making an omlet and breaking eggs: condos have issues.  Period.

Overall, we felt confident about the building, the unit, and the listing, and on offer night, we received two offers.

The top offer was for the list price, rounded up – $600,000, and was unconditional, with the seller’s desired closing date, and a certified deposit cheque in hand.  The second offer was lower, and without a cheque, so acceptance was a no-brainer.

The deal was done, and things seemed good.

The buyer’s agent was in Oshawa, and he had the deposit cheque on him.  We didn’t consummate the deal until about 9:30pm, and while I urged, er, directed him to bring the cheque to us that night, he said he wasn’t able to do so, but assured us that he would produce the cheque in the morning.

You know where this is going, right?

When we sell properties in this market, we always try our best to get a deposit cheque with the offer.  When the leverage is on our sides, ie. when there’s a hot listing with an “offer date” and multiple bids, we’re able to motivate buyer agents to bring deposit cheques with them.  When a property has been sitting on the market for 58 days, there’s no way a cheque is coming with the offer.  In fact, a buyer agent would look too eager by bringing a cheque, but again topic for another day.

In this case, we did have multiple offers, but I had no leverage to force this agent to bring the cheque.  This was the offer we wanted, and the other offer was less desirable on every term and condition.

I had no choice but to accept the fact that the cheque would be brought the next morning, which, to be honest, is how most agents do things.

Fifteen years in this business, and I have never sold a property, with the deposit provided “herewith” in the form of a bank draft, only to see the bank draft fail to appear the next morning.

But as I said, there’s a first time for everything…

The next day, I waited for the email from my office saying that the cheque had been dropped offer, but that email never came.  10am turned to 11am, noon came and went, and at 1:00pm, the buyer’s agent called me.

This agent, to be fair, was very new in the business.  He also worked in a town outside of Toronto, and wasn’t accustomed to how things are done here.

“We have a bit of a snag,” he told me.  “My buyer is freaking out about submitting an unconditional offer last night,” he explained.

Here in Toronto, of course, almost all of our offers are unconditional; even condos.  But in Oshawa?  I bet people are buying houses conditional on the sale of their own home.

I tried to calm the agent down, but he was frantic.

“I made a mistake,” he told me.  “I shouldn’t have pressured him to come in unconditional.”

This was all just noise to me, of course.  Regardless of how his buyer felt, or how he felt, they owed us a cheque.

“My client’s mortgage broker is telling him he never should have come in without a condition,” he told me, and I informed him that all mortgage brokers ask for a condition, but the market doesn’t always allow for it.

I reiterated, ever-so-nicely, that they needed to bring us the cheque before 9:30pm that night, or they’d be in breach of the agreement.

But later that afternoon, the buyer agent called me again, this time claiming, “There’s a problem in the building.  First National won’t lend here.”

Now we had a problem.

I had sold a condo, firm, and was waiting on a cheque.  The buyer purchased a condo, firm, and was being told that his lender of choice wouldn’t finance the purchase.

Do you see where there’s a disconnect?

Legally-speaking, this buyer was obligated to bring the deposit cheque, regardless of his financing.  But logically, was he going to do so?

The only thing left to do at this point was stare at the clock, and wait for 9:30pm to see if they would breach the contract.

By 10:00pm, it became obvious that the cheque wasn’t coming, and they weren’t afraid of the word “breach.”

By 10:30pm, the buyer agent called me and said, “Can we do an Amendment?  We’ll do five business days to review for financing, and then bring the cheque?”

This made perfect sense for them, for two reasons:

1) It would allow them time to actually attempt to secure financing
2) It would give them a true “out” if they needed one

Because at this point, they were in breach of contract, having bought a property without providing a deposit within the legally agreed-upon time period.  If we all agreed to include a condition for five business days, then they could provide the cheque, wait five days, decide not to proceed with the deal, and then legally opt out, and get their deposit back without deduction.

We ran this by Allan and Frances, and they said, “No way.”

We all went to bed without anything sorted, and the next day, it was all quiet.

No word from the buyer agent, that is, until………..he asked for a mutual release.

I had spent a considerable amount of time talking to my mortgage broker about the building, and he said that Royal Bank and Scotia would not lend on the building, but that TD would.  I passed this information along to the buyer agent, but he said it didn’t matter; the buyer was “spooked.”

I don’t blame him!  What kind of first-time buyer wants to go through all this?

But nobody put a gun to his head!  He made an offer and it was accepted.  Period.

Not only that, we knew that he could get financing, and it wouldn’t be through some B-lender, but rather one of the Big-5 banks.

The buyer wasn’t budging.  Two days went by, and he hadn’t provided a deposit, nor had he given us any indication that he was even considering coming back to the table.

Allan and Frances refused to sign the mutual release, which would absolve the buyer of any further liability, and I encouraged them not to.  What was in it for them?  Until we had another offer in place, there was no upside.  If they sold this place for $50,000 less, then the original buyer would be on the hook for it.

Allan and Frances could continue to offer the condo for sale without signing the mutual release, and if that was the case, then why sign it?

So that’s what we did.

And low-and-behold, two days later, we received another offer on the condo.

This one was amazing.  How about $610,000, unconditional?

We were ecstatic.

Yes, we had a hand in motivating that buyer, and that buyer agent, to get to that price.  But it was the lack of a condition, and, the fact that a deposit was in hand, that made this so sweet.

All we had to do was sign this offer, obtain the cheque, and then we would sign the mutual release for the first deal, and move on!

I had received the offer while driving, and Chris had been running point with this other agent for the last two days, so it wasn’t until I got home, sat down, and looked at the offer that I realized there was a problem.

The offer was for $10,000 above our asking price, with no conditions, and with a cheque in hand.

But we couldn’t accept this offer, even if we wanted to.

(TO BE CONTINUED…)

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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30 Comments

  1. Professional Shanker

    at 8:36 am

    cliff hanger…..I am so intrigued where this is going that I find myself a bit angry and upset that this is a 2 part!

    1. Ed

      at 9:50 am

      original deal comes back to life and decides they want the condo after all?

      1. Verbal Kint

        at 12:41 pm

        Broker with a decade in the biz discovers you can’t sell the same property to two different buyers?

        This is a DOUBLE Heisenberg. Not only was the property “under listed” yet priced at the market, it was also sold-yet-not-sold, with the selling broker thinking he had the right to demand a close OR sell and sue for damages, notwithstanding the little matter of no MUTUAL release having been signed.

        Of course, it’s all the fault of the out of town agent!

      2. Verbal Kint

        at 12:52 pm

        ” … and Chris had been running point with this other agent for the last two days …”

        All David has to do is get a mutual release signed by both sides, and he’s got a marketable property again. But hey,
        – don’t do that
        – put it back on MLS anyway, with no caveats
        – blame the buyer’s agent
        – blame another member of your team.
        WHO’S THE BROKER?

        1. Jenn

          at 3:44 pm

          I’ve had enough of this guy.

          Four annoying, angry, misplaced comments on a single blog post is the definition of “spamming.” Trolling too.

          David, what does it take for you to delete comments? That’s not rhetorical, I’m actually asking.

          1. condodweller

            at 4:04 pm

            Except he’s got a point here. I’m guessing it’s the combination of both, can’t sell to the second buyer with a valid contract in place with the first one, and the first one changes his/her mind. Someone’s going to have some splaining to do…

            The question is who signs the mutual release first? If the seller signs it first, well he can’t have his cake and eat it too. A higher second offer makes this more intriguing still. Am I reading it right that it other conditional offer that was turned down was $10k higher?

          2. Jenn

            at 4:30 pm

            No he doesn’t. He’s just concocting a situation in which David COULD be wrong. He’s made three other comments on here. It’s just stupid. It just brings this forum down a notch.

          3. Steve

            at 1:11 pm

            One of the things that keeps me coming back is waiting for the moment when they are unveiled and we find out why they think David pissed in their cereal every morning.

        2. Bryan

          at 4:45 pm

          Why should the original buyer be allowed to back out of a legally binding contract scot-free? The buyer signed a contract saying they would pay $600k for the home and provide a deposit. Not providing a deposit does not get them out of their commitment to purchase the condo.

          What if the original buyer’s offer was out of touch with where the market actually was and the only other offer they got after re-listing was for $520k? That $80k loss for the sellers would be entirely the fault of the original buyer who backed out of their deal and thus, the original buyer should be the ones carrying the risk of the home selling for less. Signing a mutual release absolves them of that responsibility and would be a terrible move for David’s clients. Hey, he would have a “marketable property” again so good for David, but re-listing without the release was absolutely the best way David could represent his client. A mutual release conditional on selling to someone else for at least the original price is also theoretically possible but I don’t think I have ever heard of something like that being used.

          Now ,caveats apply in that the fact that it was sold firm to someone who wanted to back out needed to be communicated to any new potential buyers, and the fact that the sellers intended to sue the original buyer for any difference in price ought to be communicated to the original buyers… but as long as this was done, David absolutely followed the right course.

          1. Derek

            at 11:33 pm

            Jenn: just don’t read the post that follows “Verbal Kint”. Self-censor and your problem is solved.

          2. Sirgruper

            at 12:01 am

            Disagree that you don’t have marketable title or can’t sell. You can accept the breach in writing and sell to mitigate your damages. If the old purchaser tried to cloud the title the vendor would bring a motion and the old purchaser would get slammed by the court. That said these things get resolved 99% of the time when there is no real economic loss.

  2. Appraiser

    at 8:39 am

    …good cliff-hanger.

  3. Marina

    at 10:17 am

    I’ve missed these stories David! Don’t get me wrong, the market analysis is really useful, and the rants are always funny, but the “true tales from the trenches” are always the best.
    Can’t wait for part 2.

  4. Verbal Kint

    at 12:08 pm

    “From a pricing standpoint, we used what I call the “hybrid” strategy between the age-old “under list and hold back,” and “price at fair market value,” which is to say that we did both.”

    This isn’t a new strategy. Werner Heisenberg outlined all the major factors in his seminal 1925 paper “Über quantentheoretische Umdeutung kinematischer und mechanischer Beziehungen” — colloquially referred to as “Your Toronto condo agent doesn’t know which way is up.”

  5. Pragma

    at 1:00 pm

    Doesn’t it tell you something about the market when people are using B-lenders on a $600k condo? Is this “healthy” demand? Markets operate like pyramids to a certain degree so if this is the tier of demand at current prices I would say the market risk is asymmetric.

    1. Verbal Kint

      at 1:30 pm

      Most of the time, some people are using B lenders at every level of the market. Dunno about ‘healthy,’ but it’s normal.

      What’s funnier is David’s “Hey, I know (some) A lenders will fund units in this building, why are you using a B lender?” bit. Duh.

      1. Appraiser

        at 4:51 pm

        Someone needs a hobby.

  6. paul

    at 1:24 pm

    loved that last cliff hanger. keep up the good work and hope you are managing with the newborn

    1. Chris

      at 5:46 pm

      So the test goes from 5.19% to 4.89%, and will presumably move faster in future. Not a huge alteration. Surprised they didn’t address changing lenders upon renewal.

      1. Appraiser

        at 12:10 pm

        I still think the qualifying rate is way too high. It should have been reduced to 1.5% or at the very least 1.75% above actual rates. Still more than enough buffer.

        As for mortgage renewers, yup still screwed.

        And let’s not forget that the Big-6 Banks still get to charge interest rate differential (IRD) penalties on those who break their mortgage early, based on posted rates ranging from 4.99% (TD) to 5.34% (CIBC).

        1. Appraiser

          at 12:12 pm

          Above rates are based on 5-year mortgage term.

  7. Joel

    at 9:12 pm

    This is the problem with unconditional offers. A first time buyer gets pressured by their agent into buying due to current market conditions and then get stuck with a property with Kitec plumbing and a law suit.

    Perhaps there needs to be more input from the offering agent. They could be accountable for part of the loss when there is an unconditional offer. Looking for and encouraging these is poor form for the industry. Sadly it is not going away, but it puts too much pressure on a buyer when it is expected from the seller.

    I am a mortgage broker and alway encourage clients to have a condition of financing if they can. There are too many things that can come up. Obviously it is not realistic in Toronto, but it benefits everyone, instead of having a deal fall apart the day before closing and no real estate agents get paid, no one gets a new home and the sellers can’t buy their new home.

    I don’t know what the solution is, but the current system has some big problems. You can say no one was holding a gun to their head, but no one is accepting an offer with conditions on a desirable property either.

    1. Kyle

      at 9:24 am

      Serious question. Would a Mortgage Broker have an idea of which buildings in Toronto that lenders will or will not lend against?

      1. Joel

        at 2:58 pm

        Yep. There are ones that I would have concerns about. As soon as I saw Kitec and a law suit it eliminates many lenders.
        If in doubt I would call/email a lender and ask them.

        1. Kyle

          at 4:46 pm

          I think this is helpful info for any potential buyer who is shopping for a condo in Toronto. I don’t think most bank branch lenders ever arm their clients with which buildings their bank will not lend on, nor could they offer any other options, so probably a good reason to go with a Mortgage Broker.

          But in the case of David’s story, i imagine this is something that the buyer in this story could have and possibly may have already known, since he says he was working with a mortgage broker. And in answer to your original post maybe this is something that Mortgage Brokers could share with their clients once they know that their client is shopping for a condo in certain areas. i.e. if a client says i am looking for a condo in Liberty Village, the Mortgage Broker could say, well buildings X,Y and Z might limit your mortgage options, since lenders A,B and C won’t lend on them.

          1. Joel

            at 8:51 am

            Absolutley. I always tell clients to send me the listing before making an offer to take a look.

            Real estate In Toronto is too high stakes for most people to not be certain.

          2. Kyle

            at 9:27 am

            I agree, an unconditional offer does not need to be an uninformed offer.

    2. condodweller

      at 3:51 pm

      I think there is one solution to this problem. Make the agent liable for the losses of the buyer if the agent puts the buyer at risk. One day an agent decided it would be a good idea that a buyer remove all conditions from their offer in order to improve their chances at securing the home. The result is that most offers have no conditions there fore everyone is at the same level again, except for those crazy buyers who dare put a condition in their offer, except the buyer is taking on all the risks.

      Conditions are part of a contract yet government can’t mandate, at least I don’t think they can, that they put in. They can however regulate the agents.

  8. Sirgruper

    at 11:53 pm

    David

    I would hope the answer is the vendor’s lawyer was contacted and he or she dealt with it. Lawyer’s shouldn’t be be involved in marketing etc of the property but agents shouldn’t be dealing with anticipatory or actual breaches etc. A good real estate lawyer and agent work together to protect their client. Looking forward to how it worked out. I’m guessing a negotiated $5,000 for the breach, signed a mutual release and sold to the higher priced purchaser but let’s see.

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