Selling Before Buying: For Whom Does It Make Sense?

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February 4, 2019

Some SuperBowl last night, huh folks?

Actually, I don’t know if that’s true.

I’m writing this at 7:15pm, with my phone off so that nobody plays spoiler, with the intention of starting the game around 8pm so we can fast-forward through the commercials and halftime.

“Fast-forward through the commercials and halftime?  Are you crazy?”

That’s what a lot of fans would be asking, although I might argue those are Superbowl-fans, not football-fans.  Football fans, I would offer (or generalize…) could not possibly care less about watching commercials, since 99% of the world, 99% of the time they watch TV, would rather not see commercials.  After all, that’s why Netlfix, Amazon, and online streaming are so popular!  So why do people want to watch commercials during the Superbowl?  I know they’re new, and often innovative, but they’re still commercials!

And Maroon 5?  Tell me you’re a huge fan, go on.

If I could see Michael Jackson a la 1993, or another “Wardrobe Malfunction” with J.T. and Janet Jackson, you might pique my interest.  Actually, add Prince in 2007 to that last.  He was awesome, and I was never a big fan.

So go on, tell me you’re a diehard football fan, you’ve been in a fantasy football pool with the same ten guys since 2003, you have an autographed Brett Favre football next to your bed, and you do watch the commercials and halftime show in earnest.  Then, I’ll tell you that you’re simply having a go at me.

Alright.  So when we start the game at 8pm, we can finish with the help of fast-forward by 10pm, and I call that a victory.  Time is my ever-constant opponent in this life, and thus I never give up an opportunity to beat it.

Now just for fun, how about a couple of predictions?

I predict that New England will win the game by a score of 27-17, Tom Brady will be the Superbowl MVP, and all the Brady-haters out there will continue to lick their wounds.

So let’s get to the topic at hand, shall we?

Selling before buying.  A seemingly-innocuous topic, but one that gets more interesting as you begin to explore it.

I’ve been in real estate for 15 years, so if you had to guess how many clients I represented that bought and sold, who sold first, how many would you say that is?

Fifty?

Thirty?

A dozen?

No.  The answer is one.

I represented a client several years ago who owned a home in Cabbagetown, and he believed that it was absolute madness to buy a property before selling one.  No matter the circumstance, financial situation, or risk tolerance, he thought that the idea was crazy.

And he wasn’t alone.  In fact, many of my clients’ 62-year-old fathers have also felt the idea is a poor one.  Just picture me sipping iced tea with a client and his father, channelling Seinfeld’s Frank Costanza, shouting, “How in the hell can you buy a property when you haven’t sold yours yet?  You going to own not one, but two properties?  Huh?  Does that sound like the measure of a genius to you, huh?”

I would agree, if we weren’t in Toronto.

Every single “move-up” buyer I have represented over the years who owned a condo, and wanted to either purchase a larger condo, or a house, has purchased first, and then turned around and listed his or her existing property for sale.

And they’ve all sold.  All except one, back in 2015, which is a story for another day.

In every case except that one damn condo on Lombard Street, every one of my clients who purchased a property was able to turn around and sell, firm, before the closing of their new purchase, and either obtain a bridge loan (if they so choose), or close the new purchase first.

It’s not hard in the city of Toronto, given our market.

But that one Cabbagetown client of mine simply refused.

He argued, “How can I buy when I don’t know how much I’ll get for my house?”  I explained that we were listing his house at fair market value (this wasn’t an “under-list,” hold back offers proposition), and that I expected to literally be sold within a week for 98-100% of the list price.

He refused.

He also told me, “Condos are a dime a dozen, I’ll just go find one when the house is sold, buy it, and line up the closing with the sale of my home.”

And in the end, he did exactly as he proposed.

We sold his house in five days for the full list price, and then we went out that weekend, saw a few condos, and he “picked” one that he liked.  Okay, it was more than that – he happened to see an awesome hard loft in a converted church that came out the day before we started looking, but he really, truly did just go out and buy like that.

That was back in 2014, and I haven’t had another client suggest this approach since.  Until now.

Two different sets of clients have told me in as many weeks that they want to explore the possibility of selling before buying, and for two different reasons.

The first set of buyers live outside Toronto, and while eyeing a few homes that have been languishing on the market, they can’t help but be cognizant of the fact that they might suffer the same fate.  I might argue that the new-build homes they’re looking at are always priced high by builders as a strategy, with the per-month carrying cost simply factored in from the start, whereas most resale homes sell faster.  But either way, the idea that they could buy a home, list theirs, and have trouble selling isn’t lost on them.

The second set of buyers own a unique west-end loft for which pricing is proving difficult.  With only one sale in the building in the past twelve months, our delta for expected sale price continues to grow with each passing day.  Since they’re using the sale proceeds of the condo to purchase a new house, a $75,000 difference, up or down, could make a major difference in terms of down payment.  $75,000 in the context of a $1,400,000 purchase price might not sound like much, but if you’re putting down 20% of that $1.4 Million, or $280,000, having that $75,000, or not, is a game-changer.

You might argue that none of us really know for certain what a property is worth, and/or what it will sell for, but we can usually come pretty close.  And in a hot market, we usually know that the amount a property sells for is far more likely to be above expectations than below.

But in my clients’ case, with all of their down payment coming from the sale of their condo, they don’t like the risk/reward proposition.

So they have two options:

1) Purchase for a lower amount, and then sell the condo.
2) Sell the condo first, then buy a property based on affordability as a result of the condo sale.

The problem with this is that they don’t like option #1.

They want to buy to their max affordability because they see this is a long-term move, and potentially a home they could stay in very long-term, ie. 20+ years.  They have excellent incomes, and they can afford the carrying cost on a much higher property than that at which they’re looking.  The issue is simply down payment, and this is something I’m seeing more of these days – buyers with big salaries who can carry big mortgages, but who lack the savings for a down payment.

There are worse things in the world than buying “too cheap” a house, but as my client told me the other day, “If we bought a house for $1,400,000 and then sold the condo, only to get another $100,000 and realize we could have bought for $1,700,000, we would be crushed.  That difference could get us into a different and better neighbourhood, and we want this to be a long-term move; we don’t want to move again.”

For this set of buyers, every dollar more that they receive on the condo sale, theoretically, is another five dollars they can spend on a new house.

And so as we continue to go through the motions, Option #2 seems like a more realistic ending.

Now what’s the downside to selling first?

Why all the chatter on my part?  And more importantly – why does everybody usually buy first?

Well there’s two reasons really: homelessness, and pavement-pounding.  And while those could be perceived as linked when viewed in a literal context, they’re two different problems in our real estate example.

First, if you sell your home and are unable to buy a new home and close it before the sale of your existing home, then you have nowhere to live.

Second, with low inventory levels, and a hot market, it’s often impossible to forecast how long your housing search will take you.

Combine those two issues, and you could end up selling your home, having nowhere to live, and then renting some place while you run around the city looking at real estate and making offers for six months.

I can’t say I’ve seen it happen, since as I noted below, I’ve only had one client ever sell before buying, and he purchased a condo six days after he sold his house (I just looked up the dates – he sold on a Monday, and bought the following Sunday), but theoretically, it makes perfect sense.

If you sold your home today – February 4th, and were scheduled to close on April 4th, you could be waiting one month, two months, or three months for that perfect Roncesvalles semi-detached, 3-bed, 3-bath, with finished basement, parking, and new renovation to hit the market.  What if you went two months without any options?  What if you bid on this house and lost, and then didn’t see another house come out for a month?

Remember how our market works.  I once wrote a blog about the “average number of offers” my freehold buyers submit before being successful, and while I can’t recall the number off-hand, we know it’s not one.

You might have to submit two, or three, or six offers on houses before you’re successful, and to have six houses on which to bid, you might be waiting nine months.

It all depends on what you’re looking for.

My Cabbagetown home-seller presumably could have “made do” with six or seven different condos that were on the market when he was looking.  But a freehold-buyer is always looking for something more specific.  And you could easily argue that there’s more choice in the condo market.

If you’re willing to rent for a few months, and can find a place that doesn’t want a one-year lease, then you could be okay with selling before you buy.  If you aren’t that choosy, and/or are looking in an area outside the core that has more inventory, then selling first might work.

But I always look at my past experience as an indicator, and having had one client do this in 15 years, I don’t know that the other six-hundred-some-odd can be wrong.

I’m going to come back to this at the end of the year, and see if I had one, two, or more clients sell before buying in 2019.  But something tells me I’ll likely max out at one

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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15 Comments

  1. Francesca

    at 8:54 am

    I agree with your Cabbagetown client in the sense that if you aren’t looking for a unique condo your chances of not finding a condo to purchase, after you sold are quite slim. In the case of your other clients, it’s more risky as yes there are less detached homes in the core in desirable areas at any given time. So unless they have somewhere to live (parents, in laws house) for a short time should they not find something they want to buy after selling their house, it’s not an ideal situation. It really depends though on where you live as right now in the core it’s still not too risky to buy first as you are pretty much guaranteed to sell your property. However in areas outside of the core (suburban North York, Scarbourgh, etc) and in the suburbs proper (York region, Halton, Durham etc) I would say sell first as there is a plethora of options on the market right now and you risk getting stuck with two properties if you buy first and then can’t sell. I know of several people here in Markham where I live that were forced to lower their selling price substantially as they had bought first and couldn’t sell their house. In fact now most people are selling first or putting in a conditional offer of selling your property first. Sellers are accepting these conditions now while before spring 2017 everything was selling without conditions like in Toronto for over asking and people were buying first. The market here has completely done a 360 while in the core it’s business as usual with bidding wars and offers over asking. As for your clients who are concerned about a larger down payment, I find it interesting that is their biggest concern over maximizing the mortgage they are allowed. What happens if interest rates go up or one of them loses their job or lower income during maternity leave? I just don’t understand how so many people are willing to take on the maximum of their mortgage instead of buying what they can comfortably afford and trying to pay that mortgage off as soon as possible.

    1. Real estate millennial

      at 12:45 pm

      Huge salaries and small down payments are very common in the industry. Example 2 well paid individuals presumably with minimal to no debt earn a combined income of $30,000/monthly gross and approximately $17,000/monthly net because taxes on well paid employees are egregious. It’s common that 33% of your income is spent on housing they can afford $5000/monthly in mortgage fairly easily. Which is about a million in mortgage, they can afford the payment but the down payment is a minimum of $200,000 which would take about 2 years to save if they saved every penny of their after-tax income. I over simplified the equation (not the taxes) – but I don’t think they’re over extending themselves the lending requirements are different when you get into million dollar properties. I’ve appraised properties where the lender LTV max was only 70% so on this $2,000,000 dollar property the client had to put down $600,000.

      1. Appraiser

        at 6:55 pm

        So… are you pretending to be an appraiser, or are you pretending to be an underwriter?

        Sounds like maybe you are an unemployed and inexperienced candidate member of the AIC; or a complete bullshiter?

        1. Real estate millennial

          at 11:04 pm

          4 year undergrad from the university of Guelph in commerce major was real estate. Completed the UBC post grad through the AIC. Did co-op with mono-line lenders during my undergrad and I have my real estate license. So you either know Jane londerfield because you went to Guelph the only real estate undergrad until ryerson started 4 years ago or stumbled upon the industry when you were unemployed. My graduating class all work in the industry so I ask for lender details regularly. Clearly you’re some kind of keyboard justice warrior trying to police credentials – mine checkout so keep it moving.

          1. Appraiser

            at 6:18 pm

            As I surmised – empty theorist and esoteric chart thumper.

            You get the Ben Rabidoux Award!!!

            P.S. Weak creds, and an even weaker cv – all my graduating class…. really?

        2. GreatFool

          at 11:59 pm

          Hmm, Appraiser’s getting testy. Is this an indication that Toronto real estate’s historic climb might be coming to an end? Canary in the coal mine and all that.

      2. Housing Bear

        at 10:13 am

        Appraiser, relax pal. The guy used a household income of $360, 000 to justify the average priced SFH in the GTA. You’re eating your own here.

    2. Joel

      at 1:26 pm

      There are many people that have very accelerated incomes as they move up the ladder. If they were lawyers and each currently make $175,000 a year they would know the path and salaries at their firms and could be making twice that inside of 5 years.

      With a kid they may want to move into their forever home. Buying a smaller home that they will grow out of will cost them more in the long run. They are better to stretch base down their down payment now as their incomes will easily service the debt now and in a couple of years not have to worry about Mat leave or other financial problems.

      Moving in the city is extremely expensive with land transfer and realtor fees. You will lose almost 10% in doing so. If you can only move once or twice in your life you are saving a lot of tax free money.

  2. M

    at 12:28 pm

    Hey David, curious as to what happened to your clients who followed the buy first strategy in spring 2017? There were a few articles out in that summer about lawsuits following people that were unable to close after the price drops.

    1. Verbal Kint

      at 1:46 pm

      …or even last fall. The yo-yo repricings on the Berczy unit and the Priscilla house were entertaining, but…

      1. Appraiser

        at 6:56 pm

        Incoherent goof?

  3. Dave

    at 12:47 pm

    David, I usually completely agree with you – however on this topic I have to disagree. You never know what is going to happen in the future.

    I bought first because of the reasons you listed…but had trouble selling my condo. I ended up carrying two mortgages for over 6 months, needing relatives to bail me out and cosign for the mortgage on the second property.

    Whatever the hassle of renting/storing your possessions is nothing compared with the stress of having to carry 2 mortgages and being stretched to the breaking point.

    I will never again buy before selling.

  4. Derek

    at 1:35 pm

    I imagine that the risks for each client would be unique, but when I consider my situation of always looking out for an opportunity to move up from a detached/mutual drive/3BR/west toronto home (in the $1.3M range) to a bigger better house (say $1.9M range) I do not think it would be possible to ignore the risk of buying first and hoping to sell mine and have it all work out. How would I close if my sale hadn’t closed or even occurred? What leverage would I have to negotiate my sale price if I need a sale yesterday?

  5. Chris

    at 3:42 pm

    “With Canadians still racking up near-record levels of debt, the last thing they need is for banks to make it easier to borrow more by fiddling with the mortgage “stress test” introduced a year ago, says the country’s top banking regulator.

    “The escalating cost of home-ownership in Canada, and its knock-on effects to the economy and to society, is a problem — and it’s a problem that is proving very challenging to address,” said Carolyn Rogers, assistant superintendent at the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions (OSFI), in a speech Tuesday.

    “But the answer to this important problem cannot be more debt,” she said. “Particularly, it cannot be more consumer debt, fueled by lower underwriting standards.”

    https://www.thestar.com/business/economy/2019/02/05/mortgage-stress-test-needed-despite-hardships-say-regulator.html

    Sounds as though Stress Tests are here to stay, at least for now. Cue appraiser’s indignation.

  6. J

    at 11:28 pm

    “For this set of buyers, every dollar more that they receive on the condo sale, theoretically, is another five dollars they can spend on a new house.”

    This statement absolutely boggles my mind. In my view, every dollar more you have is precisely one dollar more you can spend, not another five. If your income is the same then the mortgage you can reasonably carry is constant (although the bank may be more comfortable lending to you at a lower LTV).

    In fact, if you buy a more expensive house, all other expenses (taxes, maintenance, etc.) go up proportionally. So the mortgage you can afford is actually lower on the same income.

    Suppose someone has $100k for a down payment and an income that can support a 400k mortgage. If they receive an inheritance of $1 million tomorrow can they all of the sudden afford a $5 million home? I’d say buying a $1.5 million home is this case is pushing your luck.

    It’s scary for me to imagine some people thinking this way.

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