The Friday Rant: It’s OUR Fault Today’s Kids Are….The Way They Are

Toronto Politics

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July 5, 2013

Have we reached rock bottom?

Read the following article from Luisa D’Amato at the Waterloo Record, about how kids today are not allowed to fail in school anymore…

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“‘No Zero’s’ Policy Does Kids A Disservice”
By: Luisa D’Amato
Waterloo Record

The Department of Political Correctness in the Ministry of Education has some great news for students in Grade 7 to 12 public schools who like to slack off.

Kids! Starting this fall, teachers can no longer deduct marks when you turn assignments in after the due date.

And if you never did the work, they can’t give you a zero!

Instead, you will be questioned as to why you didn’t get it done. You might get more time to do the assignment. You might never have to do that assignment, but instead be given an “alternative opportunity” to show that you know the material. Or you might not even have to do that. The teacher might look the other way, and just consider whether you have shown in other ways that you understand the course material.

Whatever, dude.

Parents, if you fear this is a sign of slipping standards in high school, a policy that won’t help our kids when they hit the “real world,” you’re not alone.

The educrats at the Waterloo Region District School Board, which is unrolling the province’s new policy, are way ahead of you.

In a question-and-answer paper that’s soon to be posted on the board’s website, the question is posed: “Aren’t we being too easy on kids if they don’t get marks deducted for late assignments? Doesn’t placing limits on lowest assigned marks or rarely assigning zeros indicate that educational standards are slipping?”

These are excellent questions. But the answers are verbal pretzels.

Far from being soft on students, we are told that the new policy is a “rigorous stance” that demands more from students than ever.

“When we give students a zero on an assignment, we are telling them that they can choose not to do the work … All students must complete the work. Students can no longer choose to fail by getting zeros. Giving students zero actually gives students an easy way out because they can choose to not do the work,” the document confidently assure us.

But of course students can choose not to do the work, as any parent with a stubborn teenager already knows.

Read on for a bit, and the document later concedes that fact. It says that “students who do not produce enough evidence of essential learning throughout the course (e.g. missed major assignment) may not earn the credit.”

Still, how is this new system fair to the students who actually show up for class, do their homework, and turn in their assignments on time? It’s not. Oh, wait. It is. “Fairness cannot be misunderstood as “sameness,” says the document. “Teachers must also act fairly by considering each student’s individual needs, learning styles and preferences, and individual circumstances.”

Is your head spinning yet?

I agree that teachers should focus as hard as they can on getting students to succeed, by offering extra help or having individual talks with them. And it’s certainly true that hard work isn’t the same thing as robust intellectual ability.

But what’s most corrosive about this new policy is that it pretends that good work habits and a respectful attitude to the requirements of your teacher or boss aren’t as important.

In fact, they are an essential survival skill for the “real world,” which is not far off when you’re in high school. University professors deduct marks for late assignments, and give a zero for a term paper that doesn’t get turned in. Employers fire you if you don’t show up.

These new rules are “a ridiculous policy sending the wrong message” says Malkin Dare of Waterloo, who is the president of the national advocacy group Society for Quality Education.

“It doesn’t teach them that hard work, promptness or responsible behaviour are important.”

She’s right. We live in a globalized economy, one that’s more competitive than ever before. In order to thrive in it, our young people need the clear message that excellent skills and diligent commitment to their work are mandatory. Pretending that both these things don’t matter is doing our kids a terrible disservice.

 


 

Every time I read crap like this, the elitist part of me thinks, “That’s IT!  I’m sending my kids to private school….”

But is private school any better?  How many parents, who pay $25,000 per year to send their kids to grade eleven, walk into the school and tell the teachers, “I didn’t pay $25K for my son to get 48% in math.  Give him a 70, or you’re losing my tuition.”

It happens all the time.

So what’s the right answer?

Public schools AND private schools are significantly flawed, but which one more so?

A member of my family is a high school teacher, and I’ve written about her on this blog before.

She has a student that got 14% in her class, and the resident socialist, who is called a “career counsellor,” asked her if it was possible to raise this kid’s grade to a 50% so he could pass.

What’s the point in that?

What are we teaching kids?

As the article above says – there’s no responsibility anymore.  No accountability, and no reason to work hard, at anything!

The high school system simply wants to pass kids on to University to make it “somebody else’s problem,” although they’d never admit that.

But then when kids get to university, and learn that they can’t skip class four out of five days, miss assignments and exams, and have some Ned Flanders raising their grades from 14% to 50%, they feel that they’re hard done by!

I searched long and hard online, but I can’t find the study that shows most university students believe they should PASS simply for showing up to class.   I think the statistic was something in the 60%’s.  If you find the survey, please post it in the comments!

When my family member refused to raise her student’s grade from a 14% to a 50%, she received phone calls from three other people at the school, all urging her to raise the mark, move the kid out of the school, and make it easier on “the system.”

She stood firm, whereas four other teachers, who had all previously given this kid a failing grade, raised his grade to passing.

The kid is now going to summer school to raise his 14% to a passing grade, and guess who the bad guy is?  My family member, who is only doing her job, and trying to lead by example.  She’s been accused of being “punitive,” but is it really punitive to fail somebody, who has failed?

I think it’s more punitive to baby today’s kids to a point of no return, only to have a new set of expectations for them when they become young adults.

Is it any surprise that today’s youth would rather occupy St. James Park in protest against an evil empire they can’t define, rather than actually, you know, get a job?

When I was in high school, all I did was work.

I came home every day, did homework for 4 hours, watched Melrose Place, Seinfeld, & Friends, and then went to bed.  I played a lot of sports, hung out with friends on weekends, but was committed to school, and my future.

Through coaching baseball the last seven years, I know that there are still a slew of kids like this.  I’m not saying that ALL kids have given up.  But the system is not only making it easier for kids to slack, off, but in a round-about way, is encouraging it!

Work ethic is not just in your blood – it’s a behaviour that is learned.

It’s going to be very difficult for teenagers who never did any work for 4-5 years, to suddenly commit themselves to working 60-70 hours per week in a tough economy once they hit “the real world.”

Solutions?

I don’t have any.  I never promised to.

I guess I leave that up to the powers-that-be, although if their recent educational proposals are any indication, it seems they have no clue what to do either…

Written By David Fleming

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14 Comments

  1. Joe Q.

    at 10:20 am

    A few thoughts:

    (1) As an undergrad I took a sequence of courses that required 3-4 very detailed lab reports each semester (each one about 30 pages long). There was a specified due date for each report, but each student also got a set number of penalty-free “late days” to use each term (10, I think?) So you could hand in a lab report five days late with no consequences, but you’d use up five of your late days. Once you were out of late days, you’d be penalized, and pretty severely. It was an interesting idea and worked well in this case. Not sure it’d be appropriate for the high-school level, though.

    (2) Grade inflation occurs everywhere, for a variety of reasons. Even at elite universities.

    (3) In addition to grade inflation, there’s degree inflation. Fifty years ago, most people (but not everyone) finished high-school, far fewer people went to university, and almost no-one went to graduate school. Nowadays everyone is expected to finish high-school and just about everyone is expected to do some kind of post-secondary degree, and boat-loads of people go to graduate school. There is societal pressure to make sure that everyone finishes at least high-school — to not do so is seen as a mark of failure and decreases employability. My father, who went to high-school in Toronto in the late 1940s and early 1950s, comments that in his era kids would get kicked out of school (or fail out) fairly regularly, generally after about Grade 10, and it wasn’t necessarily taken as a mark of shame. Teachers and parents realized that some kids were just not cut out for school and it would be best for everyone involved if they weren’t there. These kids could (and did) go on to have very successful careers in the trades, business, etc. That attitude doesn’t exist anymore, except in some limited quarters. Witness the hubbub about some ethno-cultural groups in the GTA that have very low high-school graduation rates.

    (4) Did the Waterloo Record really use “zero’s” as a plural?

    (5) Aren’t you supposed to be on your honeymoon?

    1. jeff316

      at 1:42 pm

      “There is societal pressure to make sure that everyone finishes at least high-school — to not do so is seen as a mark of failure and decreases employability … kids could (and did) go on to have very successful careers in the trades, business, etc. That attitude doesn’t exist anymore, except in some limited quarters.”

      Very well put.

      In a world where you can barely get hired without a high school diploma you’re going to see increased efforts to get each and every kid past the hurdle of high school. Because if they don’t, they’re increasingly screwed. And guess who ends up holding the financial bag for people who can’t get hired? You and I.

      I’d also argue that this line of commentary, both of the original blog post and the newspaper article, is relatively overblown given that the school admits you can still fail the class.

      There is some truth to the fact that allowing failure as an option makes it easier to not do the assignment. I’m my experience, and it’s anecdotal of course, but from what I can remember the classes where the most people did their homework were the ones with the most naggy, annoying teachers that just ground down kids into doing their work. The guys who just ticked the y/n box were great for us studious ones, and great for the lazy because they never bothered them.

      It all depends on what your priority is – principles, or outcomes? That influences how you view the job of teaching – someone there to assign work and grades, or someone to steward a child to the next level? There’s no wrong answer and no perfect answer but given the long-term implications to individual students and society as a whole I know which way I’d lean.

  2. lui

    at 10:35 am

    If I was on my honeymoon I get killed by my wife for even going near a phone,glad you found a patient wife and realize your a insane realtor.So who is baby sitting the puppy?.

    1. Devore

      at 2:37 am

      The article is from June 27. Using the power of the Intenets, David has been able to make this blog post in the future before his wedding.

  3. FRBYWA

    at 10:47 am

    Waterloo is not going far enough….

    Any student who doesn’t hand in an assignment should get 100% on it. Any student handing in the assignment should fail, automatically. If you hand it in on time, and you do a good job, you get zero. If you hand it in early, and do a really good job, you get zero, a tongue lashing and get kicked out of school.

    This should even out everything for everybody….

  4. Answer the question, Claire

    at 11:48 am

    Thank you, thank you, thank you, David.
    The public needs to hear about this.

  5. Answer the question, Claire

    at 11:50 am

    Thank you, David, for writing about this sad, ridiculous trend in education. The public needs to be made aware.

  6. ScottyP

    at 6:49 pm

    “Fairness cannot be misunderstood as “sameness,” says the document. “Teachers must also act fairly by considering each student’s individual needs, learning styles and preferences, and individual circumstances.”

    I just vomited in my mouth….

  7. Undergrad

    at 11:05 pm

    Yes, high school standards are letting up but the real question is…does it matter? I would argue that it doesn’t. Here’s why…
    To do anything nowadays you need some sort of post-secondary training, whether that be college or university. The kicker is that if you want to pursue a degree that has positive job prospects (engineering, business, etc.) then you need at least an 80% average. So, it doesn’t really matter if the kid gets a 50 or a Zero. It’s still a fail. To graduate high school means nothing. I’m only in my third year of undergraduate studies and none of my accomplishments in high school are on my resume today.

    1. AndrewB

      at 10:42 pm

      Except you need good grades in high school to actually be accepted into a reputable program in a University. I agree it’s doing no good for the kids.

      David, I enjoyed the reference to the Occupy Toronto events. These are the same kids who spend money to take something like a BA and complain they can’t find a job.

  8. Geoff

    at 9:25 am

    At the end of the day, it’s the parents who set the expectations for the child, not the teachers. My son (who’s 6) already knows that he’s expected by me to pay attention to whoever is teaching him, and to do his best. He’s in private school and I would never expect his teachers to ‘let him cruise by’. In fact I’m paying because I don’t want him to – I want it to be a little harder than the public school curriculum and expect it to be. You can’t, as a parent, blame the teachers for not setting expectations for your child. You set them. And you have to adjust them – I don’t mind if my son brings home mostly Bs if he’s on the student council, captain of the soccer team, etc. But if he’s bringing on mostly C’s and doing nothing, yeah there’s gonna be hell to pay.

    1. AsianSensation

      at 4:35 pm

      HERE! HERE!!!

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