Will Rob Ford EVER Remove The Land Transfer Tax?

Toronto Politics

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May 6, 2011

I hope so!  But to be honest, I don’t think he can afford it!

A recent poll shows that Rob Ford’s approval rating has soared past 70%, but many respondents are quick to point out that his number one campaign promise was to remove the Land Transfer Fax.

He who is popular today could be loathed tomorrow…

“Mayor Rob Ford’s Approval Rating Rises To 70 Per Cent”

By: Patrick White
The Globe And Mail

As Mayor Rob Ford heads into a contentious period of labour strife, spending cuts and possible job losses, a new poll suggests he has political capital to burn.

The survey of 913 Torontonians, conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs for the Toronto Real Estate Board, found that 70 per cent approve of the mayor’s performance and 65 per cent support the way city council is handling tax dollars.

That figure is up from late February, when a Forum Research survey captured a 60 per cent approval rating.

“It’s flattering to see such a high number, but we still have a lot of work to do,” said Adrienne Batra, the Mayor’s press secretary.

The latest sample also forecasts head-winds for a mayoral agenda that involves contracting out garbage workers and trimming expenses. Around 72 per cent of Torontonian feel municipal services provide good value for tax dollars. That regard for city services could trump regard for Mr. Ford should the mayor cut valued programs.

“The Mayor’s popular and all the city’s services are popular too, so at some point when the mayor starts cutting those city services, my guess is he’ll start cutting into his own popularity,” said Councillor Adam Vaughan, a vocal critic of Mr. Ford’s. “It’s not uncommon for the first few months of an administration to be popular. I think [former mayor] Miller was up around 80 per cent at this point … I don’t know how he sustains his popularity when he starts closing libraries, shutting down TTC routes and laying off city workers who provide services people in this city love.”

Facing a budget shortfall of nearly $800-million, the Mayor is striking a precarious balance between campaign conflicting pledges to shrink the city budget and preserve city services.

“We’re going to face some challenging times as we move forward, as we go through our program reviews, as we try to find efficiencies,” said Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong, an ally of the mayor’s who has spearheaded efforts to privatize garbage collection. “The numbers may not hold throughout that process, but we think we’re on the right track now and we hope to earn the support of the public as we go forward.”

The poll also highlighted a campaign promise Mr. Ford has so far failed to make good on: 75 per cent respondents support his pledge to abolish the land transfer tax. The tax yielded around $200-million last year, cash the mayor may not wish to forgo as he grapples with $784-million budget hole.

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God, I hate Adam Vaughan.

I remember when he was on CityTV and he was cool.

During that time, my sister almost ran him over with her car.  He was crossing at that strange intersection – going north on University just past College Street where you go to make a u-turn.  He dodged my sister’s car at the last second, and we all had a good chuckle.

I wonder what would our city would be like now if he wasn’t so quick on his feet that day…

Regardless of whether or not Adam Vaughan approves of Rob Ford, the city has spoken loud and clear: 70% of Torontonians, albeit from a very small survey, approve of our new Mayor, and I am in that majority.

I do have many questions, however, starting with how Rob Ford thinks he’s going to pay for everything that he’s promised, and try to tackle the city’s budget woes at the same time.

Ford has come under criticism lately for “selling off the city” as he moves real estate and other hard assets.

Personally, I think it’s great that the Toronto Community Housing Group has sold off some of their real estate holdings in what is a seller’s market.  After all – did they really think they’d take one of these Beaches or Rosedale mansions and turn the properties into subsidized housing?  Call me a right-winger if you want, but how quickly would Rosedale residents object to bringing the poor into a rich area?

As for selling off other assets like the new Corus building on the waterfront, I’m not sure how I feel.  To be honest, I don’t know enough about it.  There has also been talk of selling off Waterfront Toronto, which could bring in anywhere from a few million to many billions depending on how much of the land Ford wants to move.

Brother, Doug Ford last week said, “We’re $3 Billion in debt in this city, and any project manager is going to look at all assets to see how that can be handled.  Those Waterfront Toronto guys had 11 years and they’ve done practically nothing.  Waterfront Toronto has blown $800 Million tax dollars and no one is accountable.”

Again – I don’t have access to the City of Toronto’s finances, so I can’t really offer an informed opinion on the matter.

But with talk about selling billion-dollar assets and privatizing services and industry, I have no clue how Ford thinks he can find the money to make up for the lost $200 Million in Land Transfer Tax.

If the city is truly in a $3 Billion debt, with more and more piling on as we move through 2011, is now the time to eliminate the Land Transfer Tax?

Don’t get me wrong – I want the tax gone, but that is for more selfish reasons.

I’m a Realtor, and I think the tax is an unnecessary burden on home-buyers.  The new tax has put a huge dent in the ability of flippers to make a profit on small renovation projects or buy-and-hold propositions.

I guess I was of the mindset, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it,” and adding the Toronto LTT to the Ontario LTT seemed unfair.

But does it actually make financial sense to get rid of the tax today or tomorrow?

When I read about all the assets that Ford plans to sell off, it makes me think that he’s having a fire-sale so he can come through on campaign promises, whether it makes sense for the city or not.

I believe that in many cases, privatization keeps costs lower (and eliminates union BS….garbage strike, anyone?) and ultimately the private sector is far more efficient than the public sector, but I don’t want the entire city of Toronto to be sold off.  Big business might not have a long term vision for the city, and with respect to Toronto’s waterfront – that’s exactly what we’re lacking!

I’m a proud Torontonian and I want to see this city flourish.  I truly think we’re on the path to becoming a world class city, and we’ve never maximized our city’s waterfront potential, nor do we have a world-class transportation system, or enough of a “wow factor” for our city (unless the CN Tower still rings your bell?).  I think privatizing the whole city will ultimately lead to a short-term money grab to those involved, and that includes both those buying and selling.

It it makes the city worse off in the long run – keep the damn land transfer tax tax…

…for now…

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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12 Comments

  1. Billy Frank Vickers

    at 7:29 am

    You hate Adam Vaughan. I hate Doug Ford. He is out to lunch on the waterfront and Waterfront Toronto. There was an article in the G&M maybe a month ago where waterfront developers where explaining the importance of and good work done by Waterfront Toronto. And the shit with the NFL stadium? Give it a rest, never going to happen.

    Anyway, that was all off topic. I agree the land transfer tax has to stay (for now). We need the money to pay for the sweet deal the cops just got…….

    1. David Fleming

      at 4:48 pm

      @ Billy Frank Vickers

      Agreed about the NFL. It’s a pipe dream for two fat brothers that like eating wings on Sunday. Toronto is likely 58th on the list of cities that the NFL would go to if they needed to expand or relocate. I think they’d put a team in London, England before they put on in Toronto.

  2. Geoff

    at 8:28 am

    I love the land-transfer tax. An optional consumption tax is far better than a mandatory tax. In other words, I don’t buy a house this year, I don’t pay. A hike in property tax means I pay all the time.

    I remember when my realtor (whom I liked and did a great job) tried to get me to support efforts to cancel it… I asked her where she thought the money shortfall was going to come from if it was cancelled…. no answer.

  3. Dwight Shrute

    at 5:00 pm

    If you weren’t in real estate, you wouldn’t have anything negative to say about the land transfer tax. It would be just one of a hundred other taxes that members of this city have to pay. The ONLY issue I might have with this tax is that we already pay a similar tax to the Provincial government. Other than that, I can’t see an unbiased argument agains the tax on your part.

  4. Ian C

    at 5:27 am

    I just hope that Rob Ford does not run me over on my bike.

  5. Kyle

    at 9:24 am

    @ Geoff & Dwight

    let me start by saying, I do not work in the Real Estate industry whatsoever, but i still find the TLTT incredibly stupid.

    First, the average house price in TO is about 477K. For argument sake, lets use the average house price for calulating. The TLTT on this amount is $5,273, while a 1% annual increase in property taxes on said house would be $40. You would prefer that the city charge those who need to relocate for work, who need to buy a bigger house as their family grows, or who need to downsize, a whopping $5,273. To you this makes more sense than charging everyone else $40 a year? What will happen is that people will move to the 905’s, to avoid the TLTT and in the end you will end up paying the $40 more anyhow.

    Second due to the sacling of the TLTT, as house prices rise the TLTT charged increases exponentially. Even if real estate rose just due to inflation, the TLTT burden would increase drastically over time. Making the spread between buying a house in 416 vs a house in the 905 that much more burdensome. Eroding the affordability in TO. Is this what you actually want?

    Third, the City has no ability to properly budget based on the TLTT, cause they have no idea how many houses will sell, and for what prices. They can estimate the revenue based on previous year’s revenue. But more than likely if there is a short fall in TLTT revenue, due to reduced housing activity in the 416, which this incredibly stupid tax encourages, guess what will still end up rising? Property taxes.

    Fourth, there is a way to not have this stupid tax and to not raise property taxes, and that is to charge all the people who live in the 905, who spend 40 hours a week working in Toronto (and currently pay nothing to Toronto). And that is to bring in highway tolls for non 416 residents.

  6. Chuck

    at 10:37 am

    There have been studies done that say the overall economic impact of the land transfer tax reaches far beyond the transaction.

    A house purchase or sale is just a small piece of the housing economy. With every sale comes extra services like mortgage, renovation, supplies, moving, and even ripple effects like more fuel consumption, etc.

    So if they get rid of the tax, it may be a little challenging to study, but my point is… would the overall picture become much more economically healthy?

  7. jeremy

    at 12:43 pm

    “there is a way to not have this stupid tax and to not raise property taxes, and that is to charge all the people who live in the 905, who spend 40 hours a week working in Toronto (and currently pay nothing to Toronto). And that is to bring in highway tolls for non 416 residents.”

    I have had that conversation with many people over the years. None of them seem to think that they should have to pay for the roads, policing, garbage removal etc. that they use all day.

    1. David Fleming

      at 2:36 pm

      @ Jeremy and Kyle

      I’ve also suggested MANY times that the 905’ers should pay a toll when they come into the city to work, as well as those coming in from Oakville, Burlington, St. Catharines, and Niagara Falls.

      But I’ve taken a lot of flak for this as well. I wrote a whole post on the subject once. Lemme see if I can find that damn post…

  8. Dan

    at 7:25 pm

    @ Kyle, you have excellent points, they should be submitted for mass audience publication. The TLLT should be scrapped in favour of a 1% property tax hike and/or other user fees like tolls. This would help to keep the number of realty sales more robust, even if the prices don’t continue their breakneck pace. And that would have greater overall economic impact due to spinoffs that Chuck mentions.

    We should all lobby our councillors to get Lord Ford to honour this election promise, since that was a big part of why a majority voted for him (I did not) and will help his continued high approval rating.

  9. myron

    at 6:33 pm

    Nice. You “hate Adam Vaughan”, and then insinuate that you wish he had been hit by a car. Therefore rendering all of your opinions worthless.

  10. McQuaid

    at 10:23 am

    I want my taxes raised, please.

    Having lived in other jurisdictions, I can tell you Toronto has VERY low taxes, given the services we get. And it’s a good deal in spite of the odd lazy worker. Even in spite of a bevy of lazy workers. I would support both the maintanance of this tax, and an property tax increase if only they will stop attacking Toronto. You would think these Ford boys were from Alberta, where hating Toronto is a national sport.

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