Monday Morning Quarterback

Monday Morning Quarterback: AirBnB & REBBA

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November 25, 2019

Which topic do you think will affect you more on a personal level?

Do you currently own a property that you are leasing out short-term?  Were you thinking of purchasing one?  Or are you a would-be renter who can’t find a place to live, and who feels that AirBnB is causing a shortage in Toronto?

Do you follow real estate legislation closely?  Are you familiar with the proposed changes to the Real Estate & Business Brokers Act?

Let’s look at the AirBnb story first…

AirBnb has its supporters and its detractors.  I’m willing to bet that the readers of this blog would be split 60/40 in favour of the platform, but I could be wrong.

I see the arguments from both sides, and to be quite honest, I’m torn.

Perhaps you folks expected me to pull out the laminated “Capitalist” card, and slam it down on the counter, while fighting in favour of AirBnb.  But here’s another thing you probably never thought you’d hear me say: we need regulation.

Some regulation, that is.  You know I’m not in favour of the government hatching new taxes a la, “pet licenses” and the like, looking to Big Brother their way to another $50 here, and another $50 there.  But real estate is perhaps one of the most complex animals in our fair city, and has been for the last two decades.  We truly do have a housing crisis in the city, and while we could argue all day and night as to what the cause, and potential solutions, of this crisis are, I think it starts with just a very basic amount of regulation.

People love to compare AirBnB to Uber, and the comparison is there.

I like Uber, but not for the number-one reason that most people do, which is cost.

The first time I ever took an Uber was after the LSU Tigers lost at home to the Arkansas Razorbacks in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, back in 2015.  I can’t even tell you what that experience was like, by the way.  Let’s just say that it was like every stereotypical college movie ever made, right down to the “quad” in the middle of the campus.  I mean, who brought the couches?  Where did they come from?  And who cleaned up the pyramid of 25,000 beer cans?

There weren’t any taxis floating around outside the stadium after the game, and we were told “Try Uber.”  We did, and another stereotype in the form of a “good ole boy” from the deep south picked us up in his Ford F150.  He was young, clean-cut, and so too was his car, which smelled like he just drove it off the dealership lot.  He gave us each a cold bottle of water from his cooler, and thankfully had iPhone chargers plugged into both back seats, which was perfect for me, since my phone was dead.  His country music playlist was spot-on, and just at the right volume.  He was nice, kind, told us all about the town, the football team, and engaged in a surprisingly mild conversation about American politics.  When he dropped us off, I was shocked at how low the fare was.  He said, “Oh boy, I turned tha meter off ‘long time ago.  I feel bad ’bout the traffic and the time y’all spent in muh truck.”

Contrast this experience with yet another stereotype: that of the “dirty cab in a big city,” and suffice it to say, I became an Uber fan.

I’ll be honest: I don’t really care if my cab ride is $17 or $12.  I’m not that price-sensitive, and while I realize that this is why most people enjoy Uber, it’s not why I do.

I had grown tired of Beck Taxi and their disgusting passenger seats, with torn pleather, stinking like a dozen different awful things that you can’t quite place.

I also preferred ordering a ride on my phone, rather than calling for a cab.  Remember that?  Many of you don’t.  But remember trying to call dispatch for Royal, Beck, or Co-Op on a Saturday night after the bar?  I still know the phone numbers off by heart.

More recently, I’ve seen the service level of Uber drop dramatically, but that happens in markets for goods and services where the first-mover-advantage gives way to the masses, and eventually new participants flock to the market and dilute the quality.

But I do think Uber has a place in the market.  I just don’t think that anybody should be able to get in the car and drive around, picking up passengers, without the proper insurance coverage, training, and regulation.  Yes, regulation.  Not necessarily financial compensation to the city.  These are two different topics.  But even a name in a database at City Hall is a good start, and a necessary one.

So when it comes to AirBnB, while I see a definite need in the marketplace, I also see the need for oversight.  Again, not money being siphoned to City Hall, but just enough regulation to prevent chaos.

There was a lot of press about this in the papers this week, but I always to go Tess Kalinowski from the Toronto Star first and foremost:

“Landlords Lose Appeal Over Toronto’s New Rules To Limit AirBnb, Other Short-Term Rentals”
Tess Kalinowski
Toronto Star – Monday, November 18th, 2019

Here’s an excerpt:

A provincial planning tribunal has rejected an appeal by Airbnb landlords and upheld the city’s short-term rental rules in a decision that is being touted as a “major victory for tenants across Ontario.”

In his ruling, an adjudicator for the Local Planning Appeal Tribunal (LPAT) rejected landlords’ arguments that short-term rentals were just like any residential use of a home.

He said the city’s Airbnb regulations “represent a reasonable balancing … ensuring that housing is provided for residents, that a full range of housing is available including short-term rentals, and that the business and tourism economies are supported.”

Toronto council approved the zoning bylaw amendments in December 2017. They were supposed to take effect in June 2018 but were never enforced because of the appeal at the LPAT.

Under Toronto’s rules, short-term rentals would be allowed only in landlords’ principal residences for up to 180 nights a year for an entire house or apartment. Homeowners could also rent up to three bedrooms year round on a short-term basis — a term defined as less than 28 days.

Homeowners also wouldn’t be allowed to use basement apartments as short-term rentals. Only the full-time resident of those suites could let those units for less than 28 days.

In a written decision Monday, the LPAT said the city’s approved rules have the potential to return up to 5,000 of Toronto’s more than 21,000 Airbnbs to the long-term residential market. Those are the units where the property owners are not residing but rather using the homes exclusively as short-term rentals.

I can tell just from reading this excerpt that there are many different reasons why people don’t like AirBnB.

As I just explained, I think there needs to be some oversight and regulation.

But many seem to think that AirBnB is causing higher real estate prices, and in theory, I would agree.

It doesn’t take an economic genius to deduce that lower supply, with the same amount of demand, will cause the price to increase as a result.

But how many properties in Toronto are being used as short-term rentals?  Enough to cause a dramatic shift?

Later in the article, we’re told:

In a written decision Monday, the LPAT said the city’s approved rules have the potential to return up to 5,000 of Toronto’s more than 21,000 Airbnbs to the long-term residential market. Those are the units where the property owners are not residing but rather using the homes exclusively as short-term rentals.

“Even if you return only 3,000 it’s a huge win for renters in Toronto,” said Thorben Wieditz of Fairbnb, a pro-regulation coalition of tenant advocates, community groups, academics and hoteliers that participated in the appeal process.

How much of a “win” is 3,000 units?  Not from the standpoint of availability, or ease of securing a property, but rather from a price standpoint as the result of supply and demand?

My question isn’t rhetorical, and unfortunately, has no easy answer.  But 5,000 of 21,000 isn’t exactly a gold medal, is it?  Especially with the word “potential” thrown in there?

AirBnB too often gets associated with other unfortunate incidents, as we all remember this story:

“Video Of Balcony Chair Toss Sparks Calls To Re-Examine AirBnB, Balcony Rules In Toronto”

I’m no detective, but I might be inclined to suggest that this 19-year-old chair-thrower wasn’t a direct result of the existence of AirBnB.

And this week, the Toronto Star gave us this story:

“What Toronto’s New AirBnB Rules Mean For Party Rentals”

Again, I’m not sure if AirBnB is completely to blame for party rentals.

The house next door to me is for rent right now, and the owner is actually a guy I knew back in high school!  Our neighbour told me last week, “You wouldn’t believe the parties he and his sister used to have ten years ago when they first moved in.  They were young, had their own house, loved to party, and it was relentless – every Saturday night!  We’d be out on the street, shaking our fists, often calling the cops.”

Anybody can have a house party.  Anybody can rent a house out for a party.  AirBnB makes it a lot easier, but that headline seems to infer that it’s a larger problem than it is.  Just my two cents.

Our second topic today is one that I would like to call, “Much Ado About Nothing.”

Because when the dust settles, the smoke dissipates, and the mirrors are taken away, you’ll see this for what it really is: nothing.

Tess gave us this headline on Tuesday:

“Ontario Updates Real Estate Rules Making It Easier To Punish Bad Agents”

That is the one benefit that came from these changes, I mean, once it’s passed…………in four years.

But the rest of the headlines are all gobbledygook, if you ask me.

How about the press release from our Ontario government?

Wow, that looks impressive!

But those of us in real estate circles see very little within this legislation that will impact consumers.

First and foremost, consider that the existing act, REBBA, 2002, wasn’t in effect until 2006!  To be fair, there was an election in between, but nonetheless, who believes that TRESA, 2019, is going to come into effect any time soon?

TRESA.  The “Trust In Real Estate Services Act.”  It sure sounds more consumer-friendly than the “Real Estate & Business Broker’s Act.”

Unfortunately, the main take-aways here will do little to impact consumers:

1) Allowing personal corporations for real estate agents.

2) Specialty certifications as advertised must be proven through either education or a proven book of business ie. “Condo Specialist,” “Seller specialist,” etc.

3) Sellers to have the option of an open offer scenario where they can opt into sharing the details of all offers in a multiple offer situation.

4) Proposed new Tarion for builders in order to better protect the consumer who are buying/selling through developers rather than realtors

5) RECO is able to now enact tougher fines and immediate disciplinary action for minor infractions at their discretion

6) There will be no more customer relationship – either a “client” with fiduciary duties or “self-represented”

7) Proposed name change to “Agent” vs. Sales Representative

So which parts of this help the consumer?

#1 doesn’t, that’s for sure.

And #7 doesn’t either, since the public could not care less what we call ourselves.

I don’t believe #2 has any impact, since, again, the public laughs at the average Realtor’s claim that he or she is #1 in this or that.  Everybody is #1 at something, somewhere.  Not only that, this would really only be useful after the fact, ie. somebody complains that Joe Realtor is claiming to be a “Specialist” even though he does one deal per year.  So then what?  RECO makes him change his business card?

I personally don’t think #3 will have any impact, since no seller in his or her right mind would want this.  And if they do, well, they must be the same people putting their grocery money in the church donation basket every single Sunday.

#5 is great, but this lacks any detail whatsoever, and since RECO won’t stop from licensing more and more agents every year, with no qualifications, zero training, and making it easier for any moron to start a “Brokerage,” then they’re not really addressing the root problem.

#6 is something very few, if any, people know exists.  Did you know that there’s a “Customer” and a “Client” relationship choice, as a buyer or seller?  Probably not.  At least when somebody wants to be self-represented, today, we owe them certain fiduciary duties.  Strip that away, and let them be truly “Self-Represented” by definition, and they’re just another neighbourhood genius getting creamed in the most frenetic real estate market on the planet.

As for #4, this is where I think consumers could be the most protected, and I would love to see this legislation completely re-written, but I don’t believe it will happen.  Developers already run the city of Toronto, essentially telling City Hall, what’s up, so I have a hard time believing we will experience meaningful change here.  I think that RECO could do much more to protect consumers from themselves, which I’ve heard is going to part of this legislation.  Apparently a two-page summary of the risks of investing in pre-construction condos is on the table, to accompany the slime-covered APS that naive “experts” sign when they buy at the sales centre.  That’s a start.

What’s not included in this new legislation is any sort of “ban” on multiple representation, and that seems to be ruffling some feathers.

I read comments, just for fun.  I like to know what Joe Average thinks.

Here’s one that warrants discussion:

The part I want to highlight is this:

A real estate brokerage will be able to ‘represent’ the interests of both the buyer and seller in the same transaction.”

I can’t even begin to tell you how crazy the market would be if an agent from ABC Brokerage could not present an offer for a listing under contract to ABC Brokerage.

I had eleven offers on 18 Alton Avenue earlier this week, and one was from an agent at my brokerage.

His offer was not the winning offer.

At no time did I do anything more than email him, “Received – thanks!  Will advise asap,” followed by a phone call one hour later to say, “We’ve got a much higher offer and it’s being signed.”

Why in the world could this agent not bring an offer on behalf of a buyer?

I barely know him.

In fact, there are agents at my firm that I have never heard of.

With respect to the person who commented above, he has no idea how real estate works in Toronto.  This idea that the “firm” controls the offer process is so archaic and misguided.  Real estate agents are independent contractors.  We don’t work “for” our brokerages.  With respect to Bosley Real Estate, I would never, under any circumstances, given an edge to somebody who has the same logo on their business card under the confused notion that I stand to gain.

And what happens to that buyer?

My colleague says, “Oh, sorry, we can’t offer on this house because it’s listed by an agent from my firm.”

How many agents work for Re/Max Hallmark?  Or Royal Lepage Signature?

What if you have 5,000 agents with one brokerage.  How many thousands of listings can those agents, under the idea of banning multiple representation, not show their buyers?

The idea is insane.

And what about small towns where there are only a couple brokerages, and a handful of agents?

Do you know what would happen if multiple representation at the brokerage level was banned?  Buyers would start looking for bad agents.

Think about it…

Let’s say you want to work with a seasoned, experienced, top agent who works for a solid, reputable firm.

So you hire that agent, except now, you can’t make an offer on ANY of the properties listed by his or her firm.

Doesn’t that seem counter-productive?  Now hundreds of quality listings, brought to market by a reputable firm who shares the same level of professionalism as the agent you hired, are essentially off-limits to you.

Under this new format, it would actually benefit buyers to find an agent that works for a crappy brokerage that doens’t have any listings.

If you want to ban multiple representation at the individual agent level, then let’s have a conversation.

But at the brokerage level, wow.  That shows a complete lack of understanding of our market, as well as an extreme lack of common sense.  Comments like the one above show me that people are so frustrated with the state of real estate, and so mad at the participants of the real estate market, that they’ll start making suggestions without thinking two steps beyond the mere idea itself.

Happy Monday, Folks!

Written By David Fleming

David Fleming is the author of Toronto Realty Blog, founded in 2007. He combined his passion for writing and real estate to create a space for honest information and two-way communication in a complex and dynamic market. David is a licensed Broker and the Broker of Record for Bosley – Toronto Realty Group

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  2. Francesca

    at 7:18 am

    There is a house on my parents street in north york that was bought by foreign investors solely to use as an Airbnb rental. Literally the very next day after this new law was announced my parents walk by and see an exclusive for sale sign on its lawn! This house is easily worth in the 2-2.5 million range so I find it crazy that anyone would buy a house not downtown for that amount of money to maybe rent a couple of times a month if that on Airbnb!

  3. IanC

    at 8:56 am

    I think many people buying condos to live in, or even as their forever home, do not want to live in a hotel. Even if it limits their revenue options or might make their unit less attractive to investors, while making their unit more attractive so similar minded folks.

  4. Kyle

    at 9:33 am

    I am very doubtful that even 3000 units will become rentals to permanent tenants. With the pro-tenant rules (which is probably a much bigger reason we have a housing crisis than the existence of Airbnb), i doubt most of these owners will sign on a permanent tenant.

    I think a lot of owners are going to flout the rules, while others may put up a veneer of following the rules, by “declaring” their property a principle residence and only renting out for 179 days. While others are going to find temporary tenants that will stay for over 28 days but not stay permanently, such as people here on a contract, people renovating their homes, who need temporary housing, or people who have been relocated for work who will be looking for their own place, etc. Ultimately i think the impact this will have on rents and the vacancy rate are going to be minimal.

    1. Appraiser

      at 11:15 am

      Very well articulated @ Kyle… & David (our gracious host).

      Much Ado About Nothing !

      Indeed. And on all accounts, including the proposed new real estate legislation.

      Re – AirBnB:
      It’s disappointing that the media appear enamored of such fringe issues, when a quantum leap in housing starts, among other housing initiatives, has a far greater hope of ever normalizing the GTA housing market.

      Build Baby Build!

      1. Kyle

        at 11:44 am

        100%! The true underlying issues that are causing the housing crisis really don’t get any play at all. Trying to add rental supply in this City is harder than trying to get toothpaste back in the tube. Want to add a legal basement apartment? Hope you have time and money to burn. Want to turn your Duplex into a Triplex? Better have a couple of Planners and Lawyers on retainer.

        There is a reason Airbnb took off the way it did even while a crisis continues to get worse in the rental market. The reason is simple Airbnb isn’t governed by rules that prohibit and screw over those that would be contributing to reducing the crisis.

        With Airbnb, you don’t need to hire Planners and Lawyers to fight the City. Owners got to maintain control of their property vs having no control or rights for that matter with a permanent tenant. And as long as those disincentives and challenges continue to exist, the Government can ban all the uses they want, and it still won’t help.

  5. Chris

    at 11:16 am

    In my opinion, Toronto’s AirBnB rules strike a good balance.

    If a homeowner wants to rent out their residence while they’re away, or occasionally rent a room to earn some cash, that’s one thing (and is pretty much why the founders created Airbed and Breakfast in the first place).

    If people are buying up housing to essentially run a hotel without the proper zoning and licenses, etc., well that’s entirely different, which I think should be regulated.

    While this may only directly impact 3,000 – 5,000 homes, if it directly and indirectly decreases demand, it should reduce price pressure.

    I’m also curious to see how the city approaches enforcement. If it is easy to circumvent the rules, many will.

    As to the number of AirBnB listings that would be returned the market, tough to determine, but Inside AirBnB has some great data on the topic:

    http://insideairbnb.com/toronto/

  6. J

    at 11:29 am

    I think it makes sense to regulate and tax full-time Airbnb’s in a similar fashion as professional hotels, although I’m not entirely sure I have the best answer for the short term.

    In the longer term, however, I think the problem will resolve itself. There isn’t unlimited, insatiable demand for short term rentals. When another unit hits Airbnb it does not automatically result in several more tourists visiting Toronto each and every day year round. How many of the 70,000 condos currently under construction in the GTA have been pre-purchased by amateur hotelier savants? I suspect a fair number of them.

    With more units arriving on the market and a comparatively fixed demand for tourism, prices per night will have to fall significantly or vacancies will rise. I don’t think it will take much for many of these units to be sold and repurposed as owner-occupied or rental units.

    How long will these amateur investors keep going once they see past the allure of current gross per-night rents and confront the realities of declining rents/increasing vacancies, the ongoing high costs and time commitment of operating the business, constantly fighting with condo boards/problem guests/the city, income/sales tax payment and reporting requirements, and the 13% HST on top of other transactional costs that needs to be paid on the full sale price when the property is sold if it’s rented out for periods of less than 60 days (which I’m not sure many even know about)?

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  8. Libertarian

    at 9:48 am

    A lot of good points David.

    1) Yes, we practise capitalism in this country, but which came first, capitalism or democracy? We, as citizens, decided that we wanted residential streets, school zones, commercial zones, etc. So I agree with you that regulation is not a bad thing and that a person should not be allowed to operate an Air BnB wherever they want. Especially when the operator does not live in the house. Why should the neighbours put up with crap when the operator doesn’t? That’s why I’m okay with the rule that an operator can only use their principal residence.

    2) Yes, cabs stink, but at least they know how to drive and know their way around the city. The same way you can’t stand out-of-town real estate agents, I can’t stand Uber drivers because they don’t know their way around and most of them can’t even drive properly.

    3) Allowing real estate agents to incorporate is just ridiculous!

    1. David Fleming

      at 11:00 am

      @ Libertarian

      Re: Uber, this is what I meant about how the service has gone down hill.

      Not only do they not know their way around the city (most use Waze or Google Maps, but don’t know short cuts or streets off by heart), but they either drive way too slow, to try and get better ratings, or they drive way too fast! Every time I see an accident now, I always look for the sticker in the back of the windshield.

      My wife and I went out last Thursday night (shocker, I know) and the smell of that cab was like nothing I’ve ever experienced. To quote Jerry Seinfeld, “Like a punch in the face!” We got in, and my wife was like, “Do you need to stop at the office to get that thing you need???” I looked at her and was like, “Do I?” She said, “Yes, yes, you do. You NEED to stop off!” She just wanted out of that cab, and I can’t blame her. If there was a record for worst body odour every, this guy would have taken first prize.

      That’s a long way from my buddy down in Baton Rouge…

  9. Derek

    at 1:06 pm

    Off topic, but came across this worst example I’ve seen of someone getting stuck in the Spring 2017:

    http://www.ontariocourts.ca/decisions/2019/2019ONCA0925.htm

    Thank goodness nobody will have to go through that horrible situation again any time soon. Feel terrible for them.

    1. condodweller

      at 3:28 pm

      Ouch. “He therefore ordered the appellant to pay $619,112 and carrying costs in the amount of $4,621.05.” And to add insult to injury “For these reasons, the appeal is dismissed. Partial indemnity costs to the respondents in the amount of $15,019.62 as per the Bill of Costs submitted.”

      This is the key:

      “In this case, the appellant deliberately chose not to include a condition that she had to be able to sell her home and obtain mortgage financing before closing as a term of her offer to purchase.”

      I have a problem with this next one which agents are very good at instilling in buyers:

      “The appellant was specifically told by her real estate agent that unless she put in an unconditional offer, her offer would not be accepted. ”

      So while I agree that people should be responsible for their own actions, my question is what safety mechanism is in place to protect buyers from themselves and their agents? I mean a buyer’s lawyer typically does not review the offer. But even if he/she did, in how many cases would a lawyer’s warning of something like this happening be over ruled by the their agent?

      I’d love to know what if any liability the agent has in these cases. I mean the argument “my agent more than gently twisted my arm into making a risky offer which resulted in a huge financial loss” against the agent would carry more weight in court than “the government threw a monkey wrench into my plans” against the seller.

      Since we are talking about rule changes IMHO agents should have skin in the game when they tell their clients to throw caution to the wind to secure the house resulting in a significant financial gain to themselves with zero risk.

      1. Derek

        at 3:41 pm

        It would be very hard to pin any liability on the agent in that case or any other case. The agent twisting your arm argument would carry less weight than the other argument. At the end of the day, it’s your signature on the APS and the agent writes your terms per your instructions. An agent was third-partied in by the purchaser. Presumably it was the purchaser’s agent. The appeal decision is silent on any findings against the agent, so presumably there were none and the case against the agent was dismissed. In fact, it appears that the agent gave the purchaser “good” advice as her offer was accepted and it was not the highest offer. The highest offer may have included conditions.

        1. condodweller

          at 4:12 pm

          Yes, I figured as much. It seems agents are not shy to sue their clients for their commissions if the deal falls through. I wonder in the agent(s) in this case went after the buyer for their commissions. I mean 5% on over $600k is still a good chunk of change.

          I googled buyers suing their agents and got a hit on this:

          https://www.inman.com/2018/09/07/agent-sues-client-for-commission-on-a-house-he-failed-to-sell/

          So, yeah I would love to see some rules around increasing the agent’s culpability in these. Even if it’s not full fiduciary responsibility, at least mandatory disclosure of risks with an example that would give a buyer an idea of the magnitude of possible loss would be a good idea.

          1. Derek

            at 4:35 pm

            I’m not sure I agree with the underlying premise of your thoughts on this one. What did the agent do or not do that caused the purchaser’s losses? Any purchaser knows at the bare minimum that they will need to get financing to close. Assume, for the sake of argument, that all agents have a piece of paper that says, you are signing a legal contract. If you cannot close on the closing date for any reason, the seller may sue you for damages. Financing requirements change over time. Markets change over time. You may not sell your house as easily as you are purchasing this house. Sign here. Such a piece of paper, in my estimation, would not change anyone’s purchase plans in a bidding war situation.

          2. Derek

            at 4:52 pm

            The seller’s agent may have a case against the seller for the commission on the $600k recovered in the lawsuit, perhaps less a proportionate share of the net legal fees paid out to obtain the award.

          3. condodweller

            at 5:10 pm

            Ideally, I would like to see agents have a fiduciary duty to their client and force them to carry insurance to cover these kind of losses. Am I the only one who thinks that it’s crazy for agents to make the kind of commissions they make and it’s OK to hang a client out to dry?

            The way you word it doesn’t sound effective but if we are talking about a minimum of signing a warning letter it should be stern and clear as to what could happen. Like when you go skydiving. Yes, you know you it’s dangerous and you could die, and yet they still make you sign a form that says by you participating in this activity you could sustain serious injuries up to and including death.

            I know this is sensitive and agents will say the best thing for the client is a successful purchase of the home. My position is what risks did you expose the client to during the process?

            Unfortunately, even with a warning letter people might just sign it given their heightened emotional state where they are willing to put themselves in the hands of the agent just to get the deal done at whatever it takes.

            There should be a few big items spelled out starting with if you chose to buy before you sell you expose yourself to potential financial ruin, followed by the ramifications of excluding conditions without taking steps to protect yourself.

            There should be a safety net in place. Insurance would be perfect to handle the risk as it is a low chance (in the big picture) but potentially catastrophic event.

        2. condodweller

          at 4:21 pm

          This is interesting. It seems they do have an “ethical” obligation that may be worth testing for the people in the original post. Since they are already $600k+ in the hole it may be worth a try.

          “https://www.getwhatyouwant.ca/rant-there-are-no-shades-of-grey-in-real-estate”

          I think David has posted this here in the past as per the article above:

          Agents must: “Place the interests of the client above all else except the law; help to promote and protect the client’s interests at all times and disclose any conflict, actual or perceived. “

          1. Derek

            at 6:38 pm

            Realtors do carry insurance but the existence of insurance does not make an untenable claim for damages against the realtor suddenly tenable.

            I think the phrasing of “exposing your clients to risk” is seriously flawed.

    2. David Fleming

      at 4:21 pm

      @ Derek

      I’m at home with a wicked stomach bug that I got from my daughter, and I need a topic for tomorrow’s blog that doesn’t require much thought/opinion on my part.

      This is perfect.

      Thank you!

      1. Derek

        at 4:38 pm

        Feel better. I love it when one my daughters get the sniffles for a day and three days later I get run over by a bus for a week.

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